Bodvar said:
Need I spoon-feed you weak-interpreters? (*) In a ZAMM context Socrates
represents SOM's independence from the Arete past, here he is said to
represents the intellectual level's independence of its social origin (all
levels have their origin in the former level). Without resorting to
smoke-screens, how is this glaring fact explained?
dmb says:
Here you have a major misconception sandwiched between two insults. Between the
spoon-feeding and the smoke-screens, you're equating Arete with social static
patterns. Arete is not social and it's not patterned either. In the context of
ZAMM, the Arete that was lost was the Dharma, the Quality that the Sophists
were teaching.
While it certainly is true that the static intellectual level was separating
from the static social level in this same historic period, this is not to be
confused with the loss of dynamic quality.
Sadly, Bo, your interpretation of the MOQ is "riddled" with such
misconceptions. In fact, another related mistake springs to mind. Pirsig refers
to Quality (DQ) and the "pre-intellectual" reality. You repeatedly take this as
a reference to social static patterns. Because they evolved prior to intellect,
you figure, social patterns are "pre-intellectual". What it actually refers to
is the cutting edge of experience, the front edge of each moment, the eternal
present. In other words, the pre-intellectual reality is Dynamic Quality, not
social static quality.
In both cases, these are misconceptions about the central term in Pirsig's
work. And so your theory is FUNDAMENTALLY wrong. It undermines and destroys the
main point of the MOQ, to improve the intellect at its roots by introducing
Quality as a working concept in Art, Science and Religion. Your SOL is
profoundly unhelpful toward that effort. Plus it doesn't makes any sense.
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