Hi Arlo. On 23 Apr.:
> [Arlo previously] > It would be interesting to perform a find/replace of "Quality" with > "reality" in ZMM/LILA and see if there are any places where such a > substitution makes no sense, but I don't have my e-versions on this > computer. Mighty interesting this and something I have hinted to many times. The MOQ's foremost axiom is the Quality=Reality one, so principally one may use Reality in place of Quality which is more edible for "selling the MOQ" But this brings us to the most misleading place in Pirsig's thinking which is used by the weak" interpreters, namely the diagrams in ZAMM where there is a Reality box above the SOM diagram which is split into subjective and objective boxes. This is wrong SOM postulates no reality which is split, it just has the S/O split! It's the MOQ that has a Quality-Reality which isn't directly split, rather has spawned static quality. See? The top Quaity=Reality makeover means little, there were none before Pirsig who claimed: "Reality is NOT quality" it was just SOM that said that qualities - values - are subjective. This means that the true MOQ diagram is the Dynamic/Static one, full stop, no QUALITY being D/S- divided (from where the pesky Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics stems) Such a MOQ fits Phaedrus first and original Pre-intellect/Intellect insight (the latter being SOM). I have no particular comments to your equations below Bodvar > For example, though, in this quote you provided. Quality is the > primary empirical reality"of the world. We would get: Reality is the > primary empirical reality of the world. Since "the world" is also > contained by "reality", this would lead to: Reality is the primary > empirical reality of reality. > [Arlo adds] > Going through my copy of LILA, here are some interesting > substitution results. > Normally your mind says to these ideas, "Go away, I'm busy," but > that attitude is deadly to [Reality]. > The central reality of mysticism, the reality that Phaedrus had > called "[Reality]" in his first book, is not a metaphysical chess > piece. > [Reality] is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable in the sense > that there is a knower and a known, but a metaphysics can be none of > these things. > Since a metaphysics is essentially a kind of dialectical definition > and since [Reality] is essentially outside definition, this means > that a "Metaphysics of [Reality]" is essentially a contradiction in > terms, a logical absurdity. > "May I come out and fight?" the author said. "My exact statement was > that people do disagree as to what [Reality] is, but their > disagreement is only on the objects in which they think [Reality] > inheres." > "Forget God. Do you personally think Miss Lila M. Blewitt is a Woman > of [Reality]?" > > If Phaedrus answered that Lila had [Reality] then he would be saying > sex was [Reality] which was not right. But if he said Lila had no > [Reality] the next question was, "Why were you sleeping with her?" > > But if [Reality]... is seen as the ultimate reality then it becomes > possible for more than one set of truths to exist. > > Dynamic [Reality] is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality... > > Does Lila have [Reality]? That's the most important question of all. > But if you answer "yes" or you answer "no," You lose your own > [Reality]. > > It isn't Lila that has [Reality]; it's [Reality] that has Lila. > Nothing can have [Reality]. To have something is to possess it > > ... Jean Baptiste Lamarck, maintained that all life was evolving > toward perfection, a synonym for [Reality]. > > "Survival of the fittest" is meaningful only when "fittest" is > equated with "best," which is to say, "[Reality]." > > [Arlo adds] > This is only from the first one-third of the book, I'll play with > more later. This isn't to say that every instance where you could > make this substitution results like these, but it seems the majority > do. > > Maybe I'll take a look at doing this with ZMM later too. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
