Greetings,
I think that Bo has arete addressing reacting to the social context. It was
all
about how you appeared to others.
And here to the point from a book published by BAUS that I just started reading:
"... So at the beginning, in the middle and at the end of the Buddha's path,
observation plays an extremely important role. This is similar to the role
that
objective observation plays in the scientific tradition which teaches that when
we observe a problem we first formulate a general theory followed by specific
hypothesis. We find the same thing happening in the teaching of the Four
Noble Truths and here the general theory is that all things have a cause,
and the specific hypothesis is that the causes of suffering are craving and
ignorance."
(Peter D. Santina, Fundamentals of Buddhism)
This seems to address Khoo's Oriental perspective as SOM. And I think this
validates my statement a few days ago:
What was Buddha doing sitting under that Bodhi Tree? My guess he was
meditating and using his intellect (rationality& scientific
observation(SOM))
to study the "subject'. The big difference seems to be that while the
West
studied an external reality, the East studied the internal reality.
Marsha
On Apr 25, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:
> Mary to dmb and Bo:
>
> Dmb, I can't believe you just said that! You say, since Social patterns are
> pre-intellectual, Bo must equate them with the pre-intellectual cutting edge
> of reality, DQ, as though Bo doesn't have the sense to see the difference.
> Well, why stop there? Biological and Inorganic patterns are
> "pre-intellectual" too, so I guess you could accuse Bo of equating all 3
> with the larger concept of Dynamic Quality pre-intellectual awareness. Come
> on now.
>
> Andre:
> Not right Mary, Bodvar has repeatedly equated arete with a static social
> pattern out of which SOM 'fought' itself free. Pirsig identifies arete with
> Quality, the dharma ( as Kitto explains the 'duty to oneself')... in MoQ
> terms:small self in relation to big self. As dmb points out this is a
> fundamental misunderstanding of context and events. The misunderstanding does
> not lie with dmb ( or mine for whatever that is worth) because I suspected
> this same thing long ago.
>
> Only thing I can say is that Bodvar needs to explain himself better/
> clearer...as I asked of him in my previous posts. And not just those areas he
> feels comfortable with i.e. confirming his SOL. These questions go back to
> the archives and a little more recently, back to Khoo's very good questions
> from the 'Oriental' perspective as not being represented in the SOL.
>
> Bodvar himself is begging answers.
>
>
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