david and mary said:
Mary said: > We have always had intellectual freedom. It was intellectual freedom that > came up with gods, and kings, and then different gods, and then one god, > reading and writing, poetry, art, music, legal systems, politics, money, > trade, etc. All these changing ideas happened and continue to change to > this day in the Social Level. The Social level is not deadly static and > fixed in stone. > > > dmb says: > > Whoa! I think you've glossed over the difference between social and > intellectual values that makes things hopelessly muddy. And who said the > social level was deadly static and fixed in stone? > > We've always had intellectual freedom? Are you kidding? Until very recent > times, saying the wrong thing would get you killed. The Inquisition springs > to mind. The Scopes Monkey trial, McCarthyism are also very famous examples > of social level restrictions on intellectual freedom. Sorry, but I think > that's just about the wrongest thing I've heard all day. > > Well dave, let me rectify that for Mary's sake. I'll chime in and then that can be the wrongest thing you've heard all day. Does an inquisitionary force really control the mind? Sure it can control and destroy a person's body. Sure it can keep you from saying anti-status-quo things, but can it stop you from thinking? The church stopped Galileo from teaching certain facts about the cosmos, but it couldn't stop him from thinking those facts. The intellect is a superior level because of it's ability to transcend social patterns effortlessly. Just as the biological beings have no trouble flying over the sea, swimming in the waters or generally transcending the lower level of being at will. jc Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
