On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:
> Marsha to Andre:
>
> Thanks Andre.
>
> Andre:
> Marsha, this is at the end of your post. I can take it to mean that this is
> now finished for you? Could be, but please let me indulge as I am learning
> from this exchange with you.
Ask away???
>
> Marsha:
> I have not fully understood Bo's SOL to endorse it. I agree with Bo that
> the Intellectual patterns are based on SOM both East and West for the reasons
> I previously explained, and I think there is a Quality level emerging. I
> tend to think of the fourth level as intellectual static patterns of value
> rather than intellect; it's less confusing.
>
> Andre:
> As far as I understand Bodvar's SOL it simply excludes (by its own Western
> definition and the way Bodvar argues about it) values.
> The beauty of the MOQ is that it adds a sense of intellectual quality, an
> aesthetic appreciation of beauty, an elegant theory (the intellectual
> 'attitude/appreciation' I spoke of in a recent, previous post with regards to
> this Dutch mathematician and Buddhist priest).
This is your opinion... And?
> The MoQ already adds this 'affective' pre-conceptual domain through which
> 'intellect' is guided and influenced. Again both James, Pirsig and certainly
> Eastern philosophy take this domain for granted as it is part and parcel of
> pure experience of the undifferentiated aesthetic continuum. One doesn't need
> a meta-level (as Bodvar recently argued for). One doesn't need a 'super'
> rationality. One doesn't need a new Q- level.
All the levels, including the Intellectual level are contained WITHIN the
Quality(DQ/sq)-perspective.
> It is already here and the SOL is just a hinderance and the arguments in
> favour a strawperson!
Your opinion...
> Point is we are (culturally) conditioned not to see or appreciate this value.
For me Reality is Quality(DQ(unpatterned experience)/static quality(patterned
experience(inorganic,biological,social&Intellectual(SOM))))
> That doesn't mean it is not there. We need to be sensitized. Both James and
> Pirsig have shown us that. No wonder the 'East' wondered what the fuss was
> about re ZMM. They know all that stuff already.
Every Asian is enlightened??? You are a fool!
> Anyway, thank you too Marsha.
If you have no questions, how are you going to learn anything? Oh, you were
just
kidding. ;-)
Are you Ron?
Marsha
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