On May 14, 2010, at 7:16 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote: > "Phædrus reads further and further into pre-Socratic Greek thought to find > out, and eventually comes to the view that Plato’s hatred of the rhetoricians > was part of a much larger struggle in which the reality of the Good, > represented by the Sophists, and the reality of the True, represented by the > dialecticians, were engaged in a huge struggle for the future mind of man. > Truth won, the Good lost, and that is why today we have so little difficulty > accepting the reality of truth and so much difficulty accepting the reality of > Quality, even though there is no more agreement in one area than in the > other." > > "And yet, Phædrus understands, what he is saying about Quality is somehow > opposed to all this. It seems to agree much more closely with the Sophists." > > ""Man is the measure of all things." Yes, that’s what he is saying about > Quality. Man is not the source of all things, as the subjective idealists > would > say. Nor is he the passive observer of all things, as the objective idealists > and materialists would say. The Quality which creates the world emerges as a > relationship between man and his experience. He is a participant in the > creation of all things." (ZMM) > > The intellectual patterns emerging from the Sophists were not SOM. They were > clearly something better. And it is HERE that the SOM infestation of Western > culture began. And it is HERE that Pirsig begins his treatise on correcting > this. > > Of course, you are more than welcome to rewrite ZMM and LILA to suit your SOL > needs as Bo suggests (its the only way you can make an SOL even come close to > making any sort of "sense").
Hi Arlo, RMP does not reference SOM in ZMM. In my interpretation the Sophists see the world as relative. Plato&company see the world filled with fixed, concrete , external objects; objects of knowledge, objects of study, SOM. Experience as relative, dependent of value, is what Phaedrus recognized in the sophists as 'better'. There is no rewriting, there is a difference in interpretation. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
