'Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility' by James Carse was a book you recommended. It is not rationalizing my way out of a dialogue, but quitting a fools game. Btw, thanks for the recommendation, it was a very good book :-)
On May 14, 2010, at 8:57 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > On May 14, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > >> [Marsha] >> RMP does not reference SOM in ZMM. >> >> [Arlo] >> Talk about word games! No, he does not use the triad-lexical of >> "subject-object metaphysics", but even is quite clear in what he is >> condemning. > > Your interpretation is, I'm sure, quite clear to you. Mine is quite clear to > me. > > >> "And so: he rejected the left horn. Quality is not objective, he said. It >> doesn't reside in the material world. >> >> Then: he rejected the right horn. Quality is not subjective, he said. It >> doesn't reside merely in the mind. >> >> And finally: Phædrus, following a path that to his knowledge had never been >> taken before in the history of Western thought, went straight between the >> horns of the subjectivity-objectivity dilemma and said Quality is neither a >> part of mind, nor is it a part of matter. It is a third entity which is >> independent of the two." (ZMM) >> >> "Man is not the source of all things, as the subjective idealists would say. >> Nor is he the passive observer of all things, as the objective idealists and >> materialists would say." (ZMM) >> >> He later formalizes the term "SOM" to describe the opposing traditions of >> dominance in Western thought, but to suggest in any way that the Sophists >> were peddling "SOM" is ridiculous. Indeed, Marsha, if you're gonna bend over >> that far to make SOL work for you, I suggest a new career in the circus. > > Bye... > > > >> >> [Marsha] >> To say the intellectual level could have been different is much like saying >> human being could have evolved with wings and flippers: Idle speculation. >> >> [Arlo] >> Well, first, one point is the SOL says it NEVER could be any other way. >> Intellect IS SOM. There could never be an intellect that is NOT. Pirsig's >> entire thesis revolves around the fact that it COULD, and moreover that it >> SHOULD, have evolved differently in the West had it followed a different >> trajectory. Its not mere "idle speculation", this is the entire POINT to ZMM. >> >> [Marsha] >> I know I can quit this verbal game at any time. >> >> [Arlo] >> So do it, Marsha. If you need to think you are the victim of some "game", if >> that's the only way you rationalize yourself out of a dialogue you can't >> substantiate, then do it. What do I care? >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
