On May 14, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Marsha] > RMP does not reference SOM in ZMM. > > [Arlo] > Talk about word games! No, he does not use the triad-lexical of > "subject-object metaphysics", but even is quite clear in what he is > condemning.
Your interpretation is, I'm sure, quite clear to you. Mine is quite clear to me. > "And so: he rejected the left horn. Quality is not objective, he said. It > doesn't reside in the material world. > > Then: he rejected the right horn. Quality is not subjective, he said. It > doesn't reside merely in the mind. > > And finally: Phædrus, following a path that to his knowledge had never been > taken before in the history of Western thought, went straight between the > horns of the subjectivity-objectivity dilemma and said Quality is neither a > part of mind, nor is it a part of matter. It is a third entity which is > independent of the two." (ZMM) > > "Man is not the source of all things, as the subjective idealists would say. > Nor is he the passive observer of all things, as the objective idealists and > materialists would say." (ZMM) > > He later formalizes the term "SOM" to describe the opposing traditions of > dominance in Western thought, but to suggest in any way that the Sophists > were peddling "SOM" is ridiculous. Indeed, Marsha, if you're gonna bend over > that far to make SOL work for you, I suggest a new career in the circus. Bye... > > [Marsha] > To say the intellectual level could have been different is much like saying > human being could have evolved with wings and flippers: Idle speculation. > > [Arlo] > Well, first, one point is the SOL says it NEVER could be any other way. > Intellect IS SOM. There could never be an intellect that is NOT. Pirsig's > entire thesis revolves around the fact that it COULD, and moreover that it > SHOULD, have evolved differently in the West had it followed a different > trajectory. Its not mere "idle speculation", this is the entire POINT to ZMM. > > [Marsha] > I know I can quit this verbal game at any time. > > [Arlo] > So do it, Marsha. If you need to think you are the victim of some "game", if > that's the only way you rationalize yourself out of a dialogue you can't > substantiate, then do it. What do I care? > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
