Bodvar to Andre: Seems you have the tine of your life "contradicting" me, not the least bored-sounding.
Andre: Well, maybe I care about the MOQ Bodvar. Believe it or not, maybe I care about the ideas being posted on this discuss by human beings living their lives as you and I do. Maybe I care about Mr. Pirsig's MOQ. And maybe I am concerned about the way you are continually screwing things up. Yea, I am not bored; I care...maybe. Bodvar: We already have a "metaphysics" that says that values are mere subjective, unreliable, whatever-you-like, namely SOM. Is this a "moq"? Andre: Well...SOM unreliable? Mr. Pirsig relegated it to an intellectual pattern of value good for applying its underlying logic to the inorganic level. 'Subjective' and therefore 'unreliable'? ...within SOM yes...and applied to the organic and social level, within the MOQ which agrees with a radical empiricist approach...no.Remember Dusenberry? There is no 'subjective or objective within the MOQ (as defined by a SOM). The MOQ has performed this wonderful root canal dentist rationality operation. Now, with one application one can reach a more fruitful, rational and rewarding and infinately expanding understanding of the workings of all the levels by applying the MOQ value reasoning. (I am beginning to sound like Platt the advertising man). Bodvar: Must be if a QUALITY sits above the MOQ and that every possibly ordering is an ordering of. Andre: Quality does not lend itself to be ordered. Static quality can...and is ... this suggested ordering is laid out as the MOQ. Bodvar: The intellectual level is a S/O-ordering of Quality, but it is absolutely inside the MOQ. Andre: A S/O ordering of quality is indeed an intellectual activity. It is a skillful manipulation of symbols (subjects and objects in this case) and is one pattern of many intellectual patterns comprising the intellectual level of the MOQ. Bodvar: Many thanks, come July the 5th I start on a trip by car, but I may bring along my laptop and if I find a network ..... don't feel safe. Andre: Bodvar, I feel very safe with you and perhaps even sharing a holiday with you may bring our different interpretations much closer together...like over a few beers and a campfire or something. If only I could speak Norwegian...Chinese is difficult enough. Take care!and have fun. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
