Hello Khoo, Thanks very much. Your points are well taken, encouraging and exceptionally reasonable.
I think you're quite right about opposition. It does sharpen both sides of the debate, at least potentially. But in those cases where one or both sides are defending a ridiculous position, I'm not so sure that it does any good. Like you, I also "hope we can explore the new vistas an expanded rationality can explore". The East-West fusion is completely worthy of a philosopher's time and energy too. But this place is too cluttered up with confusion at the most basic levels of understanding. And it's perpetrated by a just small handful of incorrigible long-timers. It's literally a drag. It's truly a bummer and I think it's reasonable to complain about it. Thanks again for your kindness. Dave > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:04:17 +0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Babylonian intellectuals > > Hi Dave, > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:49 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > This is a misconception and it is just one of many examples. In the MOQ, > > the difference between abstractions and concrete reality is the difference > > between static intellectual patterns and direct everyday experience. It's > > the difference between sq and DQ. You are simply misconstruing the MOQ as > > SOM. > > > Khoo: > Yes, IT really boils down to this. > > That many can read an author like Pirsig and come away with widely differing > understandings is to be expected. > > I would have thought a more open dynamic mind would be completely receptive > to what Pirsig was trying to convey. A closed static mind, sees the MOQ only > in its own mould. In Bo's case, I would venture fourth stage meta-stasis > had already set in years ago. > > Pirsig should have added a caveat, that the MOQ is not for everyone to grasp > at first instance. For some it could takes, years, decades or even a > lifetime. > > Dave added: > > > > I really, really hate what you're doing to this place, clogging it up with > > this hair-brained nonsense all the time. I listened to it for over a decade > > now and I'm just sick to death of it. Please, get a hobby. Go away. Let us > > do philosophy, will you? That would be "a promising development". > > > Khoo would like to say: > > I, for one, really appreciate all your exertions, as do all else who labour > like you do to clarify our understanding of the MOQ and Quality as presented > by Pirsig. > > It is not wasted, even if it might be on Bo. > > It has helped instead to refresh our perspectives, place into context, again > and again by repeated defence against the assault on Pirsig's MOQ. > > Lurkers and newbies alike, if I may say so, who disdain but endure the > endless, sometimes pointless argumentation over basic definitions, see much > value in defending Pirsig's formulation of the MOQ, given that it is THAT > which drew them here in the first place, not a pretender's version. > > If and when, we, as a discussion group, leave all this "adolesecent" > sparring behind, I hope we can explore the new vistas an expanded > rationality can explore. > > We still have not bridged Western and Eastern philosophies yet, which is one > such great promise of the MOQ finding common ground I look forward to; > by understanding how Eastern civilisations have achieved their respective > intellectual levels as compared to the SOM-dominated Western worldview. > > We will cross the bridge when we come to it. But we are not there yet. > Not when we still have to come to terms with tendencies no matter how overt > or latent, for Western hegemony over the rest of the world. > > It does looks like a slog, but then again, who can ask for a better cast of > characters than on the this list to make philosophy an ongoing dynamic > battle, an everyday real-life clash of ideas sometimes couched in terms of > "biblical proportions" and implications. It gets the adrenaline pumping; > emotional drivers that help meld the static and the dynamic to yield > creative insight by the clash of the rhetorical swords. > > You stay keen and sharp by your own vigilance for the real and good. This > state of mind does not come in the absence of opponents and detractors who > distract by imposing themselves on you. > > Thats all they do and want to do. > > Best regards > Khoo Hock Aun > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
