Hi Khoo 20 July you wrote:
> One of my observations previously has been the scant work done by > Western philosophers on Eastern civilisations. Even then those few > tend to see it from the Western worldview, invariably the SOM > perspective. .... I see you toe the weak interpretation where intellect = mind and SOM dominates Western mind and a "non-S/O" something dominates Eastern mind, but if we stick to intellect as a static level and you remove SOM there is nothing left - unless one starts about mathematics ... etc. as intellectual pattern", but even DMB pointed out that calculation isn't intellect per se. No, the East is a culture that had its intellectual bout with the Upanishads philosophy era (correctly suggested by Pirsig) but didn't let it grow into a SOM-like state - as in the West - before proceeding to some Quality-like stage (not MOQ because the level system was not "invented") > In this view it is difficult to understand and even accept that other > cultures and civilisations had evolve their own versions of intellect > and arrived at an intellectual level quite different from the > SOM-dominated Western version. Yes, SOM has difficulties accepting cultures like the Eastern and that's because the East is at a higher Quality-like (meta-) level. If SOM merely was one intellectual pattern and Orientalism another there would not be the least problems for the West to understand the East, but as Kipling's "... the twain shall never meet." conveys the chasm is bottomless. And it IS bottomless seen from SOM-as-intellect, it truly was for me before I came across Pirsig's ideas. I read all kinds of books in wain, but only with MOQ as a metaphysical system which has SOM as its static intellectual level did all puzzle pieces fall into place I will not press this matter I know you have committed yourself to the cause of intellect corresponding to mind and that intellectual patterns are any ideas that "comes to mind" from the least notion to metaphysics like SOM and MOQ. The fact that this makes EVERYTHING into intellect-as-mental patterns and the MOQ becomes an idealist philosophy, where ALL levels - social, biological, and inorganic - are "intellectual" patterns", are camels swallowed to avoid the strong SOL interpretation. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
