Krimel

[Magnus]
Just had to chime in here. The MoQ's stance here is actually:

I think (I (subject), experience the ideas (object) in my brain)
therefore I exist in the same stack in which my physical brain resides.
Because ideas are intellectual patterns and all patterns are dependent
on lower level patterns.

[Krimel]
I don't think the cogito moves us anywhere near a subject or objects. I just
used "subject" because the statement contains some "I"s. All it says is that
I know that I exist in virtue of my thoughts. I cannot seriously doubt that
I am having thoughts but that says buttkiss about what thoughts are, where
they come from, what my relationship to them is or anything whatever about
the "I" that is having them. Most of the "problems" associated with
Descartes come from his own elaborations of the cogito and from the
elaborations of his commentators.

Sometimes, I'm not really sure what you see in the MoQ, because you never use it the way I think it was intended.

To me, that's a very good example that shows how powerful the MoQ levels are, and how they agree with common sense. The common sense that says that we all live in this physical world and my thoughts are residents of my brain and can control my physical body.

        Magnus



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