Adrie, Gravity as an independent existent?
Marsha On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:56 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > hi guys, Magnus , Krimel, > > Gravity was always present in the universe , it only became existing by > observing it , the set was complete. > > differentiation; differentiate existence from ,....was present before > existence. > Pirsig himself is pointing out towards this line of thinking in an interview > somewhere, when he is asked the question > did'n gravity exist before Newton? wat was the apple doing then before > Newton,; Pirsig answers , "it just felt" > IMPLICATING that gravity was present before Newton, before it was > formulated. > It was just there, outside of recognizible existence. > > > Quote Krimel /Magnus > > [Krimel] > Isn't this the point of Pirsig's gravity example? Gravity is a signifier > that points to a set of patterns in the world. I do believe that things fell > to earth prior to Newton and at more or less that same accelerating rate > that he clocked. But the concept of gravity was a new thing under the sun > when he wrote it down. > > [Magnus] > Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to > exist when we conceptualized it? > > > > > Adrie > For us , human's it seized to be observable only, and therefore was present > outside our field of observable facts. > Krimel has a case, proving he's on the case by understanding the case.some > finetuning and he is arriving. > > > > ( for Magnus) > I'm aware of my bad habbit for new threads , launching the complete set > everytime, Magnus,taking bandwith..., > but the reason is this , my windows environment is emulated within a > mac-environment , and vice-versa, this is to switch > windows-mac, the suite's are working good , but i seem to loose some > functionality of my keybord for cuting/pasting on the adress-bars. > I can change it , but then i loose the personal different from normal > unicodesettings of my machine everytime. > and these are used by my son, when he comes back from Sout Africa next week > , i will have him look into this, probably he wil emulate a new keybord for > me. > so my settings will be changed next week.until then, be patient. > > greetzz.Adrie > > > > 2010/8/24 Krimel <[email protected]> > >> [Magnus] >> I'm confused, first you agree with Frank who said: >> >> [Krimel] >> Yes, you are but I think that's because this is confusing. After 10 or so >> years of having it explained to him Bo never got it, after all. >> >> [Magnus] >> But now, you say that the universe did exist before anyone had >> conceptualized it. >> >> [Krimel] >> Isn't this the point of Pirsig's gravity example? Gravity is a signifier >> that points to a set of patterns in the world. I do believe that things >> fell >> to earth prior to Newton and at more or less that same accelerating rate >> that he clocked. But the concept of gravity was a new thing under the sun >> when he wrote it down. >> >> [Magnus] >> Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to >> exist when we conceptualized it? >> >> [Krimel] >> I would say yes that something undefined is going on whether we see it or >> not or whether we have concepts about it or not or whether our concepts are >> right or wrong. Shit still happens regardless of whether or how we think >> about it. >> >> [Magnus] >> I think you need to decide which. You seem to be taking both sides now. >> >> [Krimel] >> I decided long ago but despite what anyone tells you I hold open the >> possibility of changing my view. Never-the-less this is one of my chief >> bitches against the AWGI faction. >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
