Andrie, Krimel, All, And this all ties in quite nicely with the section of Chalmers I'm reading. He is making the point that in trying to understand how "consciousness" might emerge and/or work that thinking at the level of the brain split into self/other, inside/outside, subject/object is way, way, too coarse of a distinction to understand cognitive processes of interrelationships and dependencies. Hence the reason why SOM was doomed to failure from the start.
Dave On 8/27/10 11:15 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yep, Krimel_o,probably it passed by the MoQ-ers eye's some time ago, > But in an interaction with Arlo , i launched a link once , some time ago, > about intellect in > Cephalopods , Squids so to speak, the complete group;..to provide some > evidence of my earlier statement that > the intellect in animals differs from zero-- > In that specific link, one was able to read that the brain of some squids > is different from other brains , in so far , that > parts of the neural network , part of the brain, part of the neural cell's > are in fact residing in the arms of the cephalopods. > Strangely they seem to be there as stand alone entity's. > But of course , this only appears to be so. > nobody knows until today what the function is of this differentiated neurons > in the arms, but if they are having a mirror function for > touch and recognition, then this points out towards intellect outside of the > brain..try to imagine the implications. > > cephalopods owning a handshake verification-protokol that exchanges info , > like a personal area network., interacting with other ceph.... > good , aint it? > And BTW, newly discovered is always controversial, as Darwin found out , in > evolution. > > If i stumble upon the link again i will relaunch it. > > > 2010/8/27 Krimel <[email protected]> > >> Dave and Adrie, >> Mirror neurons are new and slightly controversial but it is an >> extraordinarily interesting idea. It helps explain for example empathy and >> how 30 min. old newborns can imitate adult facial expressions. They >> highlight several problems that have been kicking around the MoQ lately as >> well. >> >> First is the idea that consciousness is king. Mirror neurons are yet >> another >> example of a non-conscious process taking place outside of awareness and >> yet >> heavily influence both our behavior and our "attitudes". >> >> A second interesting point is that they show how memory and conscious >> processes are not just restricted to the brain. As James points out the >> whole body is involved. Our memories are not recorded simply as sight and >> sound but as physical sensation and emotional commitments. >> >> Krimel >> -------------------------------------- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:33 AM >> To: MoQ >> Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only >> >> On 8/27/10 10:04 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> [Adrie said] >>> There is a lot to find i think on wiki-- The triggering switches are >> called >>> "mirror neurons" >>> It is still terra incognita for most part, everybody seems to have this >>> mirror neurons, they fire simultaniously >>> and fast if a behaviour is observed.i was aware of it briefly. >> >> Yeah this is a nice piece on the implications which correlates quite nicely >> with my theory that "designing" may have been as or more fundamental in >> intellectual development as language. >> >> http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/ramachandran/ramachandran_index.html >> >> Dave >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
