Hence the reason why som cannot be the perfect umbrella for the intellectual level?
2010/8/27 David Thomas <[email protected]> > Andrie, Krimel, All, > > And this all ties in quite nicely with the section of Chalmers I'm reading. > He is making the point that in trying to understand how "consciousness" > might emerge and/or work that thinking at the level of the brain split into > self/other, inside/outside, subject/object is way, way, too coarse of a > distinction to understand cognitive processes of interrelationships and > dependencies. Hence the reason why SOM was doomed to failure from the > start. > > Dave > > > On 8/27/10 11:15 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yep, Krimel_o,probably it passed by the MoQ-ers eye's some time ago, > > But in an interaction with Arlo , i launched a link once , some time ago, > > about intellect in > > Cephalopods , Squids so to speak, the complete group;..to provide some > > evidence of my earlier statement that > > the intellect in animals differs from zero-- > > In that specific link, one was able to read that the brain of some > squids > > is different from other brains , in so far , that > > parts of the neural network , part of the brain, part of the neural > cell's > > are in fact residing in the arms of the cephalopods. > > Strangely they seem to be there as stand alone entity's. > > But of course , this only appears to be so. > > nobody knows until today what the function is of this differentiated > neurons > > in the arms, but if they are having a mirror function for > > touch and recognition, then this points out towards intellect outside of > the > > brain..try to imagine the implications. > > > > cephalopods owning a handshake verification-protokol that exchanges info > , > > like a personal area network., interacting with other ceph.... > > good , aint it? > > And BTW, newly discovered is always controversial, as Darwin found out , > in > > evolution. > > > > If i stumble upon the link again i will relaunch it. > > > > > > 2010/8/27 Krimel <[email protected]> > > > >> Dave and Adrie, > >> Mirror neurons are new and slightly controversial but it is an > >> extraordinarily interesting idea. It helps explain for example empathy > and > >> how 30 min. old newborns can imitate adult facial expressions. They > >> highlight several problems that have been kicking around the MoQ lately > as > >> well. > >> > >> First is the idea that consciousness is king. Mirror neurons are yet > >> another > >> example of a non-conscious process taking place outside of awareness and > >> yet > >> heavily influence both our behavior and our "attitudes". > >> > >> A second interesting point is that they show how memory and conscious > >> processes are not just restricted to the brain. As James points out the > >> whole body is involved. Our memories are not recorded simply as sight > and > >> sound but as physical sensation and emotional commitments. > >> > >> Krimel > >> -------------------------------------- > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:33 AM > >> To: MoQ > >> Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only > >> > >> On 8/27/10 10:04 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> [Adrie said] > >>> There is a lot to find i think on wiki-- The triggering switches are > >> called > >>> "mirror neurons" > >>> It is still terra incognita for most part, everybody seems to have this > >>> mirror neurons, they fire simultaniously > >>> and fast if a behaviour is observed.i was aware of it briefly. > >> > >> Yeah this is a nice piece on the implications which correlates quite > nicely > >> with my theory that "designing" may have been as or more fundamental in > >> intellectual development as language. > >> > >> http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/ramachandran/ramachandran_index.html > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
