Hi Adrie
On 2010-09-03 21:25, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
Okay, clearly you are improving very rapidly on gravity
Adrie, do you really think I was a novice yesterday?
your question are
becoming difficult and valid , most of them, not to say all
On light and lightcompression i can see major misconceotions, but it is
becoming interesting, mind this , the answers will move away from
entry-level also.
The biggest leech for now is this part
Magnus:
But the thing is, it *doesn't* break the speed limit. Because in an area
where gravity has stretched out space (and you agree that space *can* be
stretched), in that area 1 km is longer than 1 km usually is.
Say you have a 300 km long cylinder in space that has been stretched out to
600 km. I.e. inside the cylinder, it's still 300km long, but from the
outside, it looks like it's 600km long. Light a laser outside one end of the
cylinder towards the other end. The light will emerge from the cylinder
after 1 ms because inside the cylinder it has travelled 300km, but outside
the cylinder it looks like the light has travelled 600km in 1 ms, i.e. at
twice the speed of light.
I don't see any blurring.
Comment Adrie,
the role of the observer, subjective objectivity-objective subjectivity,
strange eh?
Look closely at what you just wrote, you imported an observer standing in a
different set of coordinates, "IT LOOKS" is the voice of the observer,
standing ,observing elsewere. The observer is observing the so called
"relative doppler effect"distortion, yes the red or blue-shift, and so that
it appears to be as if the light is getting compressed or stretched, forth,
or back towards the observer.
The error is that the observer is not in the system of coordinates of the
observed, ie Twice the speed.......No, only the wavelenght and so the
amplitude of the observed light is compressed or streched-so for the
solution, ))))it only appears to be so that....etc)))
The speed of light is not affected by the observer nor by the relative
position of these.
It doesn't matter who's observing it. The light will emerge from the
cylinder 1 ms after it entered it. It's not a doppler effect because
that comes from accelerating objects emitting radiation in normal space.
The "system of coordinates" you and relativity is talking about is
different "boxes" whizzing about in normal space but at different speeds
and directions. What I'm talking about is *not* normal space, so
relativity doesn't apply.
Magnus
If it should not be residing in the particle's appearance's then every
object on earth should be moving at lightspeed all the time.
Why?
Adrie, well gravity keep us at our places , we would be floating around, all
objects would, in absence of gravity.
But you can see it in a spacelab, astronauts floating around, if it was not
for the walls and the ceilings of the spacecraft they would be
truly keep on accelerating endlessly, same goes for us and all objects
around us , air resistance would prevent it on earth to happen
in absence of gravity, but this aside.
all would be speeding up indefinite, gravity prevents it.this is not my
model , Magnus , it is common knowledge.
Ah, so you say gravity is the force that is preventing the universe from
being pulled apart at an ever accelerated pace? Like dark energy does? :)
Actually, push-gravity's main advantage is just that, to avoid having to
patch the model with exotic stuff like dark matter and dark energy.
The universe *is* expanding at an ever increased pace, and I say it's
gravity who is pushing the universe apart, it's not holding it together.
It's not pulling galaxies or solar systems together, they are pushed
together from the outside.
Magnus
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