The current view is that it is the empty space between stars and planets that is accelerating, not the galaxy's themselves the empty space is expanding.
2010/9/3 Magnus Berg <[email protected]> > Hi Adrie > > > On 2010-09-03 21:25, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > >> Okay, clearly you are improving very rapidly on gravity >> > > Adrie, do you really think I was a novice yesterday? > > > your question are >> becoming difficult and valid , most of them, not to say all >> On light and lightcompression i can see major misconceotions, but it is >> becoming interesting, mind this , the answers will move away from >> entry-level also. >> >> The biggest leech for now is this part >> > > Magnus: > > But the thing is, it *doesn't* break the speed limit. Because in an area >> where gravity has stretched out space (and you agree that space *can* be >> stretched), in that area 1 km is longer than 1 km usually is. >> >> Say you have a 300 km long cylinder in space that has been stretched out >> to >> 600 km. I.e. inside the cylinder, it's still 300km long, but from the >> outside, it looks like it's 600km long. Light a laser outside one end of >> the >> cylinder towards the other end. The light will emerge from the cylinder >> after 1 ms because inside the cylinder it has travelled 300km, but outside >> the cylinder it looks like the light has travelled 600km in 1 ms, i.e. at >> twice the speed of light. >> >> I don't see any blurring. >> > > Comment Adrie, >> the role of the observer, subjective objectivity-objective subjectivity, >> strange eh? >> >> Look closely at what you just wrote, you imported an observer standing in >> a >> different set of coordinates, "IT LOOKS" is the voice of the observer, >> standing ,observing elsewere. The observer is observing the so called >> "relative doppler effect"distortion, yes the red or blue-shift, and so >> that >> it appears to be as if the light is getting compressed or stretched, >> forth, >> or back towards the observer. >> The error is that the observer is not in the system of coordinates of the >> observed, ie Twice the speed.......No, only the wavelenght and so the >> amplitude of the observed light is compressed or streched-so for the >> solution, ))))it only appears to be so that....etc))) >> The speed of light is not affected by the observer nor by the relative >> position of these. >> > > It doesn't matter who's observing it. The light will emerge from the > cylinder 1 ms after it entered it. It's not a doppler effect because that > comes from accelerating objects emitting radiation in normal space. > The "system of coordinates" you and relativity is talking about is > different "boxes" whizzing about in normal space but at different speeds and > directions. What I'm talking about is *not* normal space, so relativity > doesn't apply. > > > > Magnus >> >> If it should not be residing in the particle's appearance's then every >>> object on earth should be moving at lightspeed all the time. >>> >>> >> Why? >> >> >> Adrie, well gravity keep us at our places , we would be floating around, >> all >> objects would, in absence of gravity. >> But you can see it in a spacelab, astronauts floating around, if it was >> not >> for the walls and the ceilings of the spacecraft they would be >> truly keep on accelerating endlessly, same goes for us and all objects >> around us , air resistance would prevent it on earth to happen >> in absence of gravity, but this aside. >> all would be speeding up indefinite, gravity prevents it.this is not my >> model , Magnus , it is common knowledge. >> > > Ah, so you say gravity is the force that is preventing the universe from > being pulled apart at an ever accelerated pace? Like dark energy does? :) > > Actually, push-gravity's main advantage is just that, to avoid having to > patch the model with exotic stuff like dark matter and dark energy. > > The universe *is* expanding at an ever increased pace, and I say it's > gravity who is pushing the universe apart, it's not holding it together. > It's not pulling galaxies or solar systems together, they are pushed > together from the outside. > > > Magnus > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
