dmb, For me, the MoQ is epistemologically relative (sq) and ontologically indeterminate (DQ). No absolute anything mentioned.
Marsha On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:16 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > > That trap was cultural relativism... > > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, david buchanan wrote: > >> >> No, that's exactly what I mean. You are confusing relativism with the >> provisional nature of truth. The pragmatic theory of truth rejects the >> notion of an absolute truth or an objective truth but ideas are true or not >> depending on whether or not they function in experience. There is a >> practical and empirical test of truth in the MOQ. Anthony probably should >> have used the word "provisional" in that sentence. That word really is a >> better fit with the description of truth in his next sentence, as the best >> explanation "at a given time". >> >> Charges of relativism got James into hot water but Pirsig says his MOQ can >> adopt pragmatism and radical empiricism without falling into that trap. It's >> a bad place to be, according to almost any philosopher. In ZAMM we see how >> he takes sides with the Sophists, who he says were slandered as relativists. >> Pirsig is consistent about this concern with false charges of relativism >> against his main heroes and allies. >> And yet here you are saying the MOQ is just that. >> >> Sorry, but the evidence is plainly against you. If you want to be a >> relativist, that's one thing. But don't trash Pirsig's work. >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:22:30 -0400 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Quantum Enigma >>> >>> >>> On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:33 PM, david buchanan wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> dmb says: >>>> That view is beyond relativism. It is solipsism. The MOQ is neither of >>>> those things. >>> >>> >>> Marsha: >>> Sorry, I missed this comment. Truth within the MoQ is relative. >>> >>> >>> Anthony writes: >>> “Intellectual values include truth, justice, freedom, democracy and, >>> trial by jury. It’s worth noting that the MOQ follows a pragmatic >>> notion of truth so truth is seen as relative in his system while >>> Quality is seen as absolute. In consequence, the truth is defined >>> as the highest quality intellectual explanation at a given time. >>> >>> RMP: >>> If the past is any guide to the future this explanation must be taken >>> provisionally; as useful until something better comes along. One can >>> then examine intellectual realities the same way he examines paintings >>> in an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the ‘real’ >>> painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of value. There are >>> many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some >>> to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result >>> of our history and current patterns of values. (Pirsig, 1991, p.103)” >>> >>> (McWatt,Anthony,MOQ Textbook) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
