There you go, Marsha. If you can show me meditation as thinking about thinking, instead of thinking about not-thinking, I'll bite.
rigorous methods for experientially exploring the personal and impersonal > phenomena that make up the natural world. Such techniques, many of which > are designated by the English term meditation, frequently entail careful > observation followed by rational analysis. Sounds good to me! I don't see how even Krimel could disparage this as Navel gazing. This is just plain ole philosophy, at its finest, is all. Marsha: > So many wonderful books and so little time... > > > John: Amen sister. Marsha: > > > > I include Harvey's description of religion which is also interesting: > > "According to Van Harvey, we deem a system of belief and practice to be > religious if it expresses a dominant interest in certain universal and > elemental features of human existence as those features bear on the human > desire for liberation and authentic existence." > > John: Ok, how does some bloodthirsty Aztec baker who's out for a saturday night entertainment of watching a live human sacrifice, find his human desires for liberation and authentic existence met in this religious spectacle? I think Harvey's description is found wanting. Let's try defining it for ourselves... hmmm.... religion is the collectively agreed upon meaning of the social pattern. Religion defines the causes for the social patterns, and thus invokes unity. Religion is all about the unity. When you think about it, religion flows naturally from 4th level patterns. That is, the mutually agreed upon intellectual patterns are what produce the social patterns by which any society derives its rules, punishments and controls. Society is the static fall-out of intellect. There! I like that one best. "Religion is the static fallout of intellect". Stands on its own. It's the staticity of the good. Religion is the static fallout of intellect. Got a keeper there, I think. Thank you m'dear, for the always delightful conversation, John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
