John, Social friction, opposition, tension? What do you have in mind? The Zuni priests perhaps? I don't see how quantum theory, an example of intellectual evolution, was affected by social friction. If anything, intellectual evolution ignores static social patterns. Pirsig got his idea for the MOQ in response to DQ with no "social friction" involved that I know of. So, I don't grasp your meaning.
. On 21 Sep 2010 at 9:57, John Carl wrote: individual responses to DQ and social friction or opposition or tension, Platt. With none of those things (social friction), there is no need or possibility for DQ or intellectual evolution. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:18 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > On 19 Sep 2010 at 10:20, MarshaV wrote: > > > Ron, Andre, Adrie, (Ronettes), > > I am finished with this for now, and will stick > to my own definition/interpretation as a more > meaningful description of intellectual > static patterns of value. More meaningful > for me, which is appropriate to my own > experience. > > Hi Marsha, > > Funny thing happened on the way to defining the intellectual level. Almost > everyone agrees, including Pirsig, that intellectual patterns originate out > of > society. The same people then try to squeeze the MOQ into the intellectual > level, but what society did the MOQ originate from? None. > > The MOQ originated in response to Dynamic qualty by the unique combination > of > value patterns named Robert M. Pirsig. Some may try to say he is society. > Yeah, > right. He is no more society than the brujo was. The values that matter, > the > ones that change society, originate out of individuals, defined as being > all > four static value levels plus the ability to respond to DQ. > > An argument will be that Pirsig, the brujo and other innovators originate > out > of society. True enough. But new value patterns originate from individuals > only. That's why Pirsig wrote that you shouldn't execute criminals unless > they > are a threat to society. One of them might have an idea that would move the > evolution of life forward. > > In fact when you think about it, individuals don't fit in any of the > levels. > They're a separate category all their own. > > Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
