Hi dmb, Right wing, left wing. Hitler was considered left-wing at the time. He brought is many social changes such as shorter work days. I do not think you would consider that right wing even with today's interpretation. If your intent is to polarize, you are not being factual. Wiki is a very biased site, and not useful for political insight, in fact it contradicts itself from one place to another. But what do you expect from a site that provides free expression of opinion disguised as fact.
It is possible to see where a certain web site stands in politics to review the donations made by such individuals to the political process. Such a list can be found on: http://www.newsmeat.com/ where one can do a name search. Now Jimmy Wales is not much of an activist, but check out the CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt. His donations to Barbara Boxer and Harry Reed are telling. Google recently gave $2,000,000 to Wikipedia. Money corrupts even the best of intentions. Cheers, Mark On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:01 AM, david buchanan <dmbucha...@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Horse said to Platt: > ...When will you stop with the propaganda and bluster? The Nazis, whatever > the nickname, were right-wing, not left-wing and all your blustering to > avoid your own right-wing bias won't hide that fact. A couple of groups you > conveniently left out below are the capitalists and corporatists which, as > Steve pointed out via Mussolini, are the beneficiaries of the fascist > legacy. > > dmb says: > I think that's right. As Pirsig paints it, fascism is essentially a > rejection of intellectual values and a glorification of social level values. > And as just about any political scientist or historian will tell you, > political positions just don't get any more right wing than fascism (except > maybe a Monarchist) and fascists hate leftists more than anything. > > There are some differences between the various kinds of fascism; Italian, > German, Spanish or whatever. But, unless you are tone-deaf to cultural > attitudes, the affinities and similarities are pretty darn obvious. As I > mentioned the other day, for example, the right-wing Dutch politician (Geert > Wilders) joined several of our own right-wing politicians at ground zero in > Manhattan and they all made the same anti-Islamic noises for the same > right-wing reasons. And there is the right-wing radio preacher from Royal > Oak, Michigan who supported and admired Hitler and Mussolini back in the > 1930's. Pat Buchanan (no relation) ran for President as a Republican a few > cycles ago. He grew up in a house where Mussolini was admired and > Mussolini's portrait was proudly hung on the walls. > > As Pirsig pointed out, fascism in America was not so intense as in Europe. > They didn't have to resist full-blown communism either. In the U.S., social > level anti-intellectualism manifest itself as opposition to FDR's New Deal. > And when you look at today's political situation, it's quite obvious that > the Liberals want to protect and build upon the New Deal while the > Republicans have been doing everything they can to dismantle it. I mean, > just look at who's afraid of Health Insurance Reform. Who thinks such > programs are scary, scary, socialism? Who is running against it as we speak? > In this country, right-wingers have always opposed these things. There is an > 80 year track record that makes fascist attitudes and positions pretty easy > to spot. > > For our "low information" friends, here's a little Wiki on the European > strain: > > Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. > Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, > values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. Fascism > was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who > combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the > political right in the early 1920s. Scholars generally consider fascism to > be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum. > Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong > leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit > violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. They claim that > culture is created by the collective national society and its state, that > cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus they reject > individualism. Viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, > they see pluralism as a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a > totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety. > They advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascists reject and > resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part > of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be > assimilated. They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront > and a threat to the nation. Fascist governments forbid and suppress > opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement. They identify > violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and > vitality. > Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and > rationalism in favor of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will. > They oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a > proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements. > Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class > movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national > solidarity. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
