Hi Steve, Your logic is a bit strained don't you think? We're talking politics here, not scientific theories or personal tastes in pets.
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Steven Peterson <[email protected]>wrote: > I heard the NAZIs not only recognized the advances that the common man > made under Roosevelt's New Deal but also thought Einstein was smart. > If true, that must mean that Eisenstein was a NAZI and the theory of > relativity is pure fascism. I also heard that some NAZIs liked dogs, > therefore, liking dogs is fascist. > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Platt Holden <[email protected]> > wrote: > > "In 1934 the Volkischer Beobachter, the Nazi Party official newspaper, > > described Roosevelt as a man of 'irreproachable, extremely responsible > > character and immovable will' and a 'warmhearted leader of the people > with a > > profound understanding of social needs.' The paper emphasized that > > Roosevelt, through his New Deal, had 'eliminated the uninhibited frenzy > of > > the market speculation' of the previous decade by adopting 'National > > Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies." -- > > Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism," p.147 > > > > Takes one to know one. > > > > Platt > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, david buchanan <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> Horse said to Platt: > >> ...When will you stop with the propaganda and bluster? The Nazis, > whatever > >> the nickname, were right-wing, not left-wing and all your blustering to > >> avoid your own right-wing bias won't hide that fact. A couple of groups > you > >> conveniently left out below are the capitalists and corporatists which, > as > >> Steve pointed out via Mussolini, are the beneficiaries of the fascist > >> legacy. > >> > >> dmb says: > >> I think that's right. As Pirsig paints it, fascism is essentially a > >> rejection of intellectual values and a glorification of social level > values. > >> And as just about any political scientist or historian will tell you, > >> political positions just don't get any more right wing than fascism > (except > >> maybe a Monarchist) and fascists hate leftists more than anything. > >> > >> There are some differences between the various kinds of fascism; > Italian, > >> German, Spanish or whatever. But, unless you are tone-deaf to cultural > >> attitudes, the affinities and similarities are pretty darn obvious. As I > >> mentioned the other day, for example, the right-wing Dutch politician > (Geert > >> Wilders) joined several of our own right-wing politicians at ground zero > in > >> Manhattan and they all made the same anti-Islamic noises for the same > >> right-wing reasons. And there is the right-wing radio preacher from > Royal > >> Oak, Michigan who supported and admired Hitler and Mussolini back in the > >> 1930's. Pat Buchanan (no relation) ran for President as a Republican a > few > >> cycles ago. He grew up in a house where Mussolini was admired and > >> Mussolini's portrait was proudly hung on the walls. > >> > >> As Pirsig pointed out, fascism in America was not so intense as in > Europe. > >> They didn't have to resist full-blown communism either. In the U.S., > social > >> level anti-intellectualism manifest itself as opposition to FDR's New > Deal. > >> And when you look at today's political situation, it's quite obvious > that > >> the Liberals want to protect and build upon the New Deal while the > >> Republicans have been doing everything they can to dismantle it. I mean, > >> just look at who's afraid of Health Insurance Reform. Who thinks such > >> programs are scary, scary, socialism? Who is running against it as we > speak? > >> In this country, right-wingers have always opposed these things. There > is an > >> 80 year track record that makes fascist attitudes and positions pretty > easy > >> to spot. > >> > >> For our "low information" friends, here's a little Wiki on the European > >> strain: > >> > >> Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. > >> Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist > perspectives, > >> values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. > Fascism > >> was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I > who > >> combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to > the > >> political right in the early 1920s. Scholars generally consider fascism > to > >> be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum. > >> Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires > strong > >> leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to > commit > >> violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. They claim > that > >> culture is created by the collective national society and its state, > that > >> cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus they reject > >> individualism. Viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, > >> they see pluralism as a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a > >> totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety. > >> They advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascists reject and > >> resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered > part > >> of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be > >> assimilated. They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an > affront > >> and a threat to the nation. Fascist governments forbid and suppress > >> opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement. They identify > >> violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit > and > >> vitality. > >> Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and > >> rationalism in favor of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will. > >> They oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a > >> proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based > movements. > >> Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class > >> movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national > >> solidarity. > >> > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
