>From you, Ian, I take that as a compliment. On 25 Oct 2010 at 23:13, Ian wrote:
You're an arsehole too Platt, but fortunately not all arseholes are created equal. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Oct 2010, at 22:42, "Platt Holden" <[email protected]> wrote: > What DMB always leaves out (for obvious reasons) is that Pirsig, > after saying all that about the intellectual superiority of > socialism (a debatable point because capitalism gets plenty of > intellectual heft from Adam Smith to F.A. Hayek to Milton Friedman) > concludes with: > "What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that the > socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively, have > inadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and > selling of things. They closed it because the metaphysical structure > of their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality exists." > > Free-enterprise system superior! Get it? > > I know left-wingnuts like DMB can never bring themselves to admit > it, as his diatribe below so vividly illustrates. But, there it is > -- an undeniable conclusion. Any other spin is truly intellectually > dishonest. > > Platt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david buchanan" <[email protected] > > > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape > > >> >> Platt asked: >> Was Pirsig intellectually lazy and dishonest in generalizing that >> capitalism was superior to socialism? >> >> >> dmb says: >> >> Is Platt being intellectually lazy and dishonest in reporting what >> Pirsig says about capitalism and socialism? Yes, very lazy and very >> dishonest. I've had to balance out his selective reading of the >> text dozens of times. The following quotes not only put major >> qualifications on Pirsig's positive statements about capitalism, >> they reflect the overall thrust of the MOQ's moral hierarchy much >> better. The evolutionary morality is all about movement toward >> higher and higher values. And with respect to politics in >> particular, the danger is that society won't be intellectually >> guided and we will instead drift back to the last static latch, >> those social level Victorian values. Today's free-market >> Republicans ARE those neo-Victorians that Pirsig warns us about. >> The tea baggers, the corporate whores, the religious right, the >> authoritarians and family values moralists are the various stars in >> a constellation called backwards. >> >> Whose side are you on? What values do you want in our society? Is >> there something about the phrase "more moral" or "absolutely >> superior" that confuses you? >> >> >> Pirsig said: >> "...a culture that supports the dominance of intellectual values >> over social values is absolutely superior to one that does >> not." (Lila, p.311) >> >> "From a static point of view, socialism is more moral than >> capitalism. It's a higher form of evolution. It is an >> intellectually guided society, not just a society that is guided by >> mindless traditions." >> >> "It is not that Victorian social economic patterns are more moral >> than socialist intellectual economic patterns. Quite the opposite. >> They are less moral as static patterns go." > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
