dmb, I never advocated murder. If I ever for a second thought that the murder I talked about conceptually was moral, or if I thought that my intelligent argument for it would win, I would never have posted it. Of course I am opposed to it and if anyone offered such an argument as a sincere suggestion I would think him a nut and probably want to tie him down. But, there are things that are less cut and dry. And furthermore, if ever someone did appear before me with such an argument, what would I have to say to him in response. Telling him that he sounds crazy, or that animals wouldn't stoop so low I don't think would have any effect. He would say: those aren't intelligent arguments. Right?
The question is, if that hypothetical child murderer were real, how do you classify him according to MoQ? His argument must be classified as being in the intellectual level. Right? So my question is then, how do we distinguish quality within the intellectual level itself? Further, in other societies certain murders are looked on with favor. And even in your own, I suspect, there are times at the margins where it is okay. But, back to other societies, in certain muslim countries, there are honor killings. This even goes to the extreme that if a girl is raped, perhaps if she was out when she shouldn't have been out, or she went somewhere she shouldn't have gone, or she was with someone with whom she shouldn't have been, her father will murder her because she has become a dishonor to the family. To me, and I must assume to you, this sounds atrocious. We may think it a low quality intelligence that arrives at that position, but how am I to intellectually win an argument with that muslim father to save his daughter? And if 'win' regarding this argument has no meaning within the MoQ, well then how can you say that that position is not intelligent? Tim On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 21:54:32 -0600, "david buchanan" <[email protected]> said: > > > Tim said: > About murder I would just add, dmb, that it was my point that the > argument in support of the murder I highlighted was an intelligent > argument. If might not be very intelligent, but it was in the level of > intelligence none-the-less? My point is, how is intelligence judged? > What makes intelligence intelligence? How can one assign any qualitative > (or quantitative) distinction to any intelligent proposition? Perhaps we > need a new word, but I have been recycling 'objective'. > > > dmb says: > > I'm not even making a philosophical point here, Tim. I'm just talking > about human decency and common sense. If you're smart enough to > understand the word "murder" then you should realize how crazy you sound. > An intelligent argument in favor of child murder? There are animals that > wouldn't stoop that low. You really don't see what a monstrously evil > idea that is? How could such a thing ever be considered "intelligent" or > "intellectual"? > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- [email protected] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
