You're an arsehole too Platt, but fortunately not all arseholes are
created equal.
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On 25 Oct 2010, at 22:42, "Platt Holden" <[email protected]> wrote:
What DMB always leaves out (for obvious reasons) is that Pirsig,
after saying all that about the intellectual superiority of
socialism (a debatable point because capitalism gets plenty of
intellectual heft from Adam Smith to F.A. Hayek to Milton Friedman)
concludes with:
"What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that the
socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively, have
inadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and
selling of things. They closed it because the metaphysical structure
of their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality exists."
Free-enterprise system superior! Get it?
I know left-wingnuts like DMB can never bring themselves to admit
it, as his diatribe below so vividly illustrates. But, there it is
-- an undeniable conclusion. Any other spin is truly intellectually
dishonest.
Platt
----- Original Message ----- From: "david buchanan" <[email protected]
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape
Platt asked:
Was Pirsig intellectually lazy and dishonest in generalizing that
capitalism was superior to socialism?
dmb says:
Is Platt being intellectually lazy and dishonest in reporting what
Pirsig says about capitalism and socialism? Yes, very lazy and very
dishonest. I've had to balance out his selective reading of the
text dozens of times. The following quotes not only put major
qualifications on Pirsig's positive statements about capitalism,
they reflect the overall thrust of the MOQ's moral hierarchy much
better. The evolutionary morality is all about movement toward
higher and higher values. And with respect to politics in
particular, the danger is that society won't be intellectually
guided and we will instead drift back to the last static latch,
those social level Victorian values. Today's free-market
Republicans ARE those neo-Victorians that Pirsig warns us about.
The tea baggers, the corporate whores, the religious right, the
authoritarians and family values moralists are the various stars in
a constellation called backwards.
Whose side are you on? What values do you want in our society? Is
there something about the phrase "more moral" or "absolutely
superior" that confuses you?
Pirsig said:
"...a culture that supports the dominance of intellectual values
over social values is absolutely superior to one that does
not." (Lila, p.311)
"From a static point of view, socialism is more moral than
capitalism. It's a higher form of evolution. It is an
intellectually guided society, not just a society that is guided by
mindless traditions."
"It is not that Victorian social economic patterns are more moral
than socialist intellectual economic patterns. Quite the opposite.
They are less moral as static patterns go."
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