Hey, Andre --
Here is the full Annotation Ham (I noticed I had omitted
the term 'intellectual'):
Annotn. 65. 'It seems close but I think it is really very far apart. In
the
Copenhagen Interpretation, and in all subject-object metaphysics,
both the observed (the object) and the observer (the subject) are
assumed to exist prior to the observation. In the MOQ, nothing exists
prior to the observation. The observation creates the intellectual
patterns
called “observed” and “observer.” Think about it. How could a subject
and object exist in a world where there are no observations?'
But when you say:'... I cannot comprehend how observation can occur
without an 'observer'.' you are absolutely correct. But where does it say
that? What the MOQ argues is that the observer and that which is
observed arise together. You cannot have the one without the other.
That you omitted the term "intellectual" is significant to your premise. My
question is: Who's intellect?
If we can stop playing 'Pirsig says' long enough to consider just what
"observation" means in this context, I think we must conclude that the
'observer' is primary to the observation. I'm not talking about "before and
after", but about the entity whose experience does the observing and is
cognizant of the object experienced. Not everyone has experienced this
object, so it is surely not a universal image. Rather, it exists only in
the conscious mind of the subjective agent. Absent the subject and the
image disappears. This is true of every experience.
There is no logical reason to dismiss subjects and objects as the
constituents of existential reality other than to satisfy a philosopher who
is determined to posit existence as a unity. Pantheists did that long
before Pirsig. That's a "let's pretend" world. If it were not for
DIFFERENCE there would be no experience and no reality to observe. Indeed,
the primary nature of physical reality is differentiated, relational
beingness. All human knowledge, all social progress, is based on that
precept. To do away with subjects and objects by euphemizing them as
patterns of quality demeans the very function of individual value
sensibility.
Existence is the differentiated mode of essential Oneness!
Vive la Différence!
Essentially speaking,
Ham
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