Platt to Horse:
In fact, now that I think about it:-), thinking is a process of constant
interplay between DQ and SQ when words are first plucked out of thin air (DQ)...
Andre:
'Words plucked out of ...DQ'?
Platt:
Anyway, it's fun to think about thinking, then to think about thinking about
thinking, then to think about thinking about thinking about thinking . . ad
infinitum -- illustrating that thinking alone (including critical thinking)
leads to a black hole of nonsense.
Andre:
And for someone steeped in and glorifying social level values at the cost of
intellectual values it is no surprise it ends up in 'nonsense'.( see my
previous
post exposing the inconsistency you apply in your 'thinking' with regards to
your critique of 'critical thinking' and your glorification of the free market
system).
And in response to your suggested arguing as to what is meant by 'critical
thinking' as opposed to 'thinking',let's keep it simple Platt and take Pirsig's
definition of the intellectual level as the 'skilled manipulation of...'.
Obviously some are more skilled at this than others. It could even be argued
that some people use social level values as reference point for their
'thinking'
and some use the 'code of art' as reference point to their thinking.
Perhaps this is the difference?
Ron comments:
Hello Andre,
I think you really hit apon a criticial point in the conversation brought about
by Dave, that some people are better
than others at thinking, critical or whatnot. We can really understand alot
about a person when we observe
the context of their intellectual arguements. Seeing intellect as evil,
certainly is a social level position. An
immoral position in an MoQ perspective.
Addressing the "code of art" idea, which is used quite frequently by this
social
level reasoning, a sort of appeal
to the unknown betterness to just lead the way without the use of thinking or
intellect.
An idea and it's purpose that sound uncannily familiar to how religion uses the
concept of god and the idea
of faith and how this unknown betterness is seperate and distinct from
experience, it may not be known.
I think it would be an excellent thread to start if we of likemindedness, began
a conversation and inquirey
into what "betterness" means in the context of the MoQ, surely those we already
mentioned will call this
a travesty, an abomination, an attempt to define Quality, the sacred. those
seem
to fail realize that we
define Quality everyday, in our preferences, in our likes and dislikes. They
fail to see the importance
of exploring our reasons for those preferences, the importance of developing
them and understanding
them.
The power of explanation is the key to intellectual growth. It is itself an
aestetic, the very best of the "code of art".
the art of crafting betterness in our reasons for preference in our lives.
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