Platt to Andre: That helps, a little. Just to clarify my positions in your mind. 1) I don't support religion.
Andre: We can quibble into eternity what you mean by 'religion' and I don't feel like doing that. You have made it very clear over the years that you do support the existence of a god, a designer a creator. In conventional jargon this makes you an adherent of theism. You know the MOQ's point of view. Platt: 2) I do support the free market system (like Pirsig) Andre: Pirsig does NOT give unqualified support to the free market system. Pirsig assigns its success to it being a 'Dynamic institution'. But it is an institution running amok because it is guided by 'mindless traditions'...social level 'virtues' which support the interests of 'the conservatives'.In their (and thus your) defense of it 'They are just doing the usual cover-up for the rich in their age-old exploitation of the poor'. These patterns Pirsig identifies and debunks as a continuation of 'Victorian social economic patterns' and this makes them LESS moral than socialist intellectual economic patterns (Pirsig's emphasis).(LILA,pp224-5) You Platt, are completely blind to this debunking process. You do not accept the MOQ's levels of morality. You do not accept that within the MOQ intellectually guided economic patterns are more moral than Victorian social economic patterns. You are placing social level patterns above intellectual patterns and from MOQ reasoning this is an immoral act. Platt: 3) I do criticize intellectual patterns of value (like Pirsig) Andre: You imply that Pirsig criticizes ALL intellectual patterns of value? Where do you get this from?? This is not true Platt. Pirsig has criticized one particularly dominant intellectual pattern of value applied in 'the West'. Its generic term is 'rationality' which has grown into a view of reality contained in, what Pirsig has termed 'a subject-object metaphysics'. He assigns them value according to their explanatory power. In this way some intellectual patterns have higher quality than others. He is very pragmatic as far as this goes. If you want to know more about this I refer you to ZMM, LILA, SODV and Lila's Child (especially the Annotations). Platt: If I have led you to think otherwise, I apologize for not making myself clear. Andre: Well Platt, having a discussion with you I liken to a dentist treatment. The difficulty the dentist experiences, the effort that needs to be applied in an attempt to extract something... .Pfffff. I really feel you play a hide-and-seek game, a 'catch-me-if-you-can game which is fun for children but not very appropriate or helpful on a philosophical discussion site. I mean, why not simply say: I believe in God, I love money and fuck the rest? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
