On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:47 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote:
> > Platt said to Andre: > Just to clarify my positions in your mind. 1) I don't support religion. 2) > I do support the free market system (like Pirsig), and 3) I do criticize > intellectual patterns of value (like Pirsig). If I have led you to think > otherwise, I apologize for not making myself clear. > > > dmb says: > This is an excellent example of what I was complaining about. Platt is > wrong on all three counts. Platt DMB is into the sauce again. How can I be wrong on all three counts when the first count is simply that I don't support religion. Pirsig is not involved in the statement at all, although DMB in his addled condition somehow somehow thinks he is. Anyone who can read and think ought to know better and yet Platt is > apparently incapable of either even when you put the evidence right in front > of him, repeatedly, over the course of a decade or so. One wonders how thick > armor can get, you know? > > "The MOQ supports religion but does not support many Christian traditions." > (Pirsig in the Copleston annotations) I'd even go so far as to say the MOQ > IS a religion. It's not a theistic religion, of course, as we know from > other statements from Pirsig. > > "...a culture that supports the dominance of intellectual values over social > values is absolutely superior to one that does not." (Lila, p.311) Platt has > confused Pirsig's attack on SOM as an attack on intellectual values. That's > just bad thinking and he has to ignore lots of Pirsig's claims for it to > make any sense at all. Writing a metaphysics to reject intellectual values > makes about as much sense as writing a owner's manual to trash cars. > > Platt Pirsig criticizes intellectual values repeatedly. Here's just one: " Data are data. It is the intellectual framework with which one deals with the data that is at fault. The fault is within subject-object metaphysics itself." (Lila, 12) Faulty intellectual framework not a criticism? Have another, DMB. > "From a static point of view, socialism is more moral than capitalism. It's > a higher form of evolution. It is an intellectually guided society, not just > a society that is guided by mindless traditions. That's what gives socialism > its drive." No matter how many times I put this quote on Platt's plate, he > can't grasp it. > > "It is not that Victorian social economic patterns are more moral than > socialist intellectual economic patterns. Quite the opposite. They are less > moral as static patterns go." Same thing with this quote, where Pirsig > disagrees with Platt's view three times. Social economic are not more moral. > The opposite is true. They are less moral. But as Platt reads it, Pirsig > supports the less moral social patterns and rejects the higher intellectual > values. To anyone who can read or think, this is obviously wrong. > Platt DMB like some others just can't get over the fact that Pirsig supports capitalism over socialism. How many times must this be repeated before it sinks in? "What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that the socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively, have inadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and selling of things. They closed it because the metaphysical structure of their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality exists." (Lila, 17) Not only does this clarify DMB's fuzzy thinking but at the same time criticizes intellectual values, (reasoning intelligently and objectively). > > No matter what anyone says, including Pirsig, Platt just thinks what he > wants to think regardless of whether it makes sense or is supported by the > text. He just won't or can't think clearly about what he's reading. So why > do anybody bother talking to him about anything? Does honestly and > intelligence and fairness count for nothing? Why do I feel like a need a > shower after I read a post from Platt? > > Platt Agree you need a shower -- to sober up. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
