Hi Mark. Good question, so hope you don't mind if I butt in with a possible answer. You're familiar I'm sure with "information theory," and probably know a lot more about than I do which is next to nothing. But at every level it seems for anything to happen there must be communication between what we regards as separate entities, whether particles, atoms, animals, or people. So surrounding all levels is a cacophony of signals in countless languages. So information is a sea in which the levels swim, to use a poor metaphor.
As you go up the levels from inorganic to intellectual, information becomes increasingly usable by increasingly complex beings, humans being at the top of the complexity pyramid. At the social and intellectual levels information is turned by humans from raw dits and dots into symbols representing symbols in a cascade of analogues which are exploited endlessly to gain power over the lower levels as well as kindred human beings (think reason and rationalization). Where the intellectual level comes to fore is when humans believe they are intelligent enough to understand everything about everything (think science and "critical thinking"). If you now ask what surrounds information we begin falling into the black hole where no one willingly goes, at least no one who worships at the Church of Reason and Pragmatism. This is off the top-of-my-head-out-of-the-blue sort of thinking which is an easy to shoot down. But, maybe there's a pony in there somewhere. What say you? Platt On 4 Nov 2010 at 8:56, 118 wrote: Hi Marsh, I like this, a process approach. Defining though interaction and congealment. I would pose the following for discussion, which would be more of a boundary approach. That is, what is it that is forming the intellectual level from the outside? This would be similar to defining a lake by its boundaries instead of by the cohesive interaction of water molecules through hydrogen bonding and other principles. Such an approach can also be taken in descriptions of evolution. That is, defining the morphology of species, not by the expression of DNA itself, but by looking at the environmental factors which control such expression. So, one approach as you put is to describe the process of abstract concept manipulation. The other approach would be to describe something like Group Consciousness (like Carl Jung), that provides boundaries for the expression of the intellectual level. Of course such boundaries can have grey areas, and are up to interpretation. So, my question, is what do you see the intellectual level filling (for lack of a better word)? This is not a trick or leading question, since I do not have a ready comeback. I am simply opening it up for discussion. Cheers, Mark On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Greetings, > > My understanding/interpretation of the Intellectual Level is based on > reification. The fourth level is comprised of static patterns of value such > as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these > patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational > analysis and manipulation. Reification decontextualizes... Intellectual > patterns process from a subject/object point-of-view creating false > boundaries that give the concept an illusion of having independence as a > "thing" or an "object of analysis." The fourth level is a formalized > subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, > objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity like > emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study and > research in an unbiased and rational manner. > > > Marsha > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
