On Mar 5, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Andre Broersen wrote:

> 
> Andre:
> ...
> As Charlene Seigfried, an eminent James scholar, says: 'What is' 
> (metaphysics) cannot be designated
> apart from how we know it (epistemology). Neither can it be grasped apart 
> from what we value'. The traditional distinctions between ontology, 
> epistemology and ethics breaks down so that knowledge and will, facts and 
> values are fused and this is how the MOQ unites facts and values.  
> As you say above, you simply reject Pirsig's MOQ thesis and that is why I am 
> still wondering what you are doing here Ham. I mean this respectfully.
> Look carefully at the sentence you wrote above:'And without realization by a 
> 'sensible agents, it is meaningless'. Think about it in the light of what I 
> wrote, specifically the word 'realization'. For something to be 'realized' it 
> must have value, otherwise one will not realize it. No matter how 'sensible' 
> your agent is. This is what Pirsig's MOQ is made up of.


Andre,

Funny, I don't remember a Seigfried quote stating anything at all about the 
MoQ.  But I do remember presenting you with a quote stating that the MoQ is not 
intended to be within any philosophic tradition, that, I imagine would include' 
the Jamesian tradition


Marsha 
 
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