Hi J-A, Yes, indeed, always on the road to a more perfect union. I would only disagree with you on the difference between ZMM and Lila. What can be intuited from ZMM is a bit deeper than that from Lila, concerning Quality. I think that is why ZMM was so popular. I find Lila to be a bit superficial in its attempt, in that it sketches a picture that seems too construed. But, I prefer a narrative approach where I can place myself in the protagonist's place, so it may just be a preference. Perhaps I did not understand Lila.
Indeed, three is a holy number, a stool cannot stand on two legs. The tripods of reality. Cheers, Mark On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jan-Anders <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark > > You're pretty right about these conceptual connections with older > traditions. We have the holy Trinity too. Usually I try to avoid these > connections with religons and isms as there is also much old garbage > included. > > Quality in ZMM differs from the deeper definition of Quality used in Lila. > > In ZMM Quality can be seen as pure Value while Quality in Lila can be > considered as the Balance between the three aspects of Value. Any time an > event is unbalanced in any of the three aspects (internal value), Quality is > active to either balance, close or divide the event. > > States of unbalance triggers action and the following action is depending on > in which aspect the unbalance is at most. If something is missing (low value > in mass) a search for more is activated. If something is wrong with the > pattern a correction is the solution. If something is wrong with the value > another valuator is needed or a remake, a change in the mass and/or the > pattern gives another valuable expression. Working solutions are permanented > as static patterns out from this dynamic pattern. > > Dr. Frankenstein sent out Igor to search for a brain for his experiment and > Igor didn't care much what type of brain he found and that ignorance saved > the tension of the story. > > In fact, Quality will never be perfect, it is always something wrong with > the woild. > > Jan-Anders > > > [email protected] wrote 2011-01-16 07.18: >> >> Hi J-A, >> >> Thanks for the interlude. I have been following your conception of >> quality since you brought it up in the Equations posts. I find it >> quite interesting and rhetorically convincing. If I may add some >> support to your triad, in chapter 42 of Tao Te Ching, it is stated >> that Out of the Tao, one is born, from one comes two, from two comes >> three, from three comes all things. The Three from which all things >> come could be interpreted from your triad of physical, pattern, and >> value. >> >> Another interesting tie in comes from the Upanishads. It is my >> understanding that according to them, Maya (or what we call reality) >> is composed of three gunas. These three are: Tamas (veiling), Rajas >> (projecting), and Sattva (revealing). This is explained in a page I >> have referred to before about the Equations of Maya >> (http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html). There may be a >> connection between your triad and this other one, which is something >> Dobson tries to do. >> >> What I was wondering is why do you call this Dynamic Quality? It >> would appear that only one of your three (value) is related to >> Quality. For me, Quality is the difference between things, but more >> than that, Quality creates the things by separating them. Instead of >> focusing on the objects, another perspective would be to focus on what >> is between them that defines them. We could term this a force of >> relativity, but that word has already been taken, so Quality is what I >> use. Now, Quality has been used by many to mean many things. >> However, I feel it is important to keep to the original meaning of the >> word. I believe that Pirsig called it Quality for a reason. I am >> curious on your opinion of this. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
