re, Short. Marsha quoting RMP "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea that the world is nothing but value is not part of any philosophic tradition, ..."
-------------------- Pirsig is booting out some old relics,..but kept the core of pragmatism uniting it with radical empiricism using the central theme "value",.. I think James postulated some of the basic ingredients that needs to be there to call a view pragmatic,about 5 basic points i think,and i remember that Pirsig was fitting the description when i was reading it, but i do not remeber the 5 basic's anymore,i was reading much to fast then,trying to get James in the fingers a bit. Sorry for the short re(time) Adrie 2011/3/8 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > On Mar 7, 2011, at 10:00 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > > > > Marsha said: > > Seems that in October 2005, RMP decided to clarify his position. > > > > dmb says: > > Not at all. Pirsig was summarizing the MOQ in 2005 and the part you > posted only repeats what he'd already said in the opening pages of chapter > 26 in Lila. There he explains the similarities between his ideas and James's > were pointed out by a reviewer only AFTER his first book was published. > > > "A review of his book in the Harvard Educational Review had said that his > idea of truth was the same as James. The London Times said he was a follower > of Aristotle. Psychology today said he was a follower of Hegel. If everyone > was right he had certainly achieved a remarkable synthesis. But the > comparison with James interested him most because it looked like there might > be something to it. > > > It was also very good philosophological news. James is usually considered > a very solid mainstream American philosopher, whereas Phaedrus first book > had ofter been described as a 'cult' book. He had a feeling that people who > used that term WISHED it was a cult book and would go away like a cult book, > perhaps because it was interfering with some philosophological cultism of > their own. But if philosophologists were willing to accept the idea that the > MOQ is an offshoot of James' work, then that 'cult' charge was shattered. > And this was good political news in a field where politics is a big factor. > > > In his undergraduate days Phaedrus had given James very short shrift... " > (324) > > > Marsha: > > RMP is an American, and a metaphysics is a branch of philosophy, that alone > would make the MoQ "a continuation of the mainstream of twentieth century > American philosophy, ..." I agree that the MoQ is radically empirical and > pragmatic, and that there are many similarities between the MoQ and James's > writing, but so are there also like similarities between the MoQ and > Mahayana Buddhism. I agree that RMP wrote about some of the MoQ's > similarities with James in LILA. My point is that in October 2005, long > after the publication of Lila, in a paper representing a summary of the MoQ, > RMP clarified his position by writing most succinctly that "The Metaphysics > of Quality is not intended to be within any philosophic tradition, ..." > Further into the paragraph he offered his reason: "The Metaphysics of > Quality's central idea that the world is nothing but value is not part of > any philosophic tradition, ..." > > Again I offer RMP's 2005 statement for your consideration: > > "The Metaphysics of Quality is not intended to be within any philosophic > tradition, although obviously it was not written in a vacuum. My first > awareness that it resembled James' work came from a magazine review long > after “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” was published. The > Metaphysics of Quality's central idea that the world is nothing but value is > not part of any philosophic tradition that I know of. I have proposed it > because it seems to me that when you look into it carefully it makes more > sense than all the other things the world is supposed to be composed of. One > particular strength lies in its applicability to quantum physics, where > substance has been dismissed but nothing except arcane mathematical formulae > has really replaced it." > (A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005) > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
