Marsha: Static patterns of value are ever-changing, but change in a stable, predictable pattern.
On Mar 17, 2011, at 9:40 AM, david buchanan wrote: > > Dan said to Marsha: > ...I guess we do have different concepts, but the question is, which is more > in line with the MOQ? > > Marsha replied: > ...I think all static patterns of value, even those in the MoQ, are > ever-changing and interdependent, and one might always be able to deepen > one's understanding. > > dmb says: > As I see it, this does quite constitute a philosophical or metaphysical > dispute. Marsha's problem is more basic than that. > Here she says that static patterns are ever-changing. Since "static pattern" > means something like "stable configuration" or "persisting arrangement", > describing static patterns as "ever-changing" is about as wrong as it gets. > > James and Pirsig both say: > "..concepts [are] derived from something more fundamental which he [James] > described as 'the immediate flux of life which furnishes the material to our > later reflection with its conceptual categories." > Pirsig says James "had condensed this description to a single sentence" when > he said... > > "There must always be a discrepancy between concepts [static patterns] and > reality [the ever-changing flux of experience], because the former are static > and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic and flowing." > > You see, there are only two main concepts here. Like hot and cold or north > and south, static means not dynamic and dynamic means not static. But how > does Marsha render this first and most basic distinction in the MOQ? She says > that static means dynamic, that static means "ever-changing". Yikes! That is > exactly what static does NOT mean. > > See, this is not a philosophical dispute. Marsha is not interpreting the MOQ > "differently" so much as she has simply cut herself loose from that system of > shared meanings we call the English language. > > static |ˈstatik|adjective1 lacking in movement, action, or change, esp. in a > way viewed as undesirable or uninteresting : demand has grown in what was a > fairly static market | the whole ballet appeared too static.• Computing (of a > process or variable) not able to be changed during a set period, for example, > while a program is running.2 Physics concerned with bodies at rest or forces > in equilibrium. Often contrasted with dynamic .• (of an electric charge) > having gathered on or in an object that cannot conduct a current.• acting as > weight but not moving.• of statics.3 Computing (of a memory or store) not > needing to be periodically refreshed by an applied voltage. > > > dynamic |dīˈnamik|adjective1 (of a process or system) characterized by > constant change, activity, or progress : a dynamic economy.• (of a person) > positive in attitude and full of energy and new ideas : she's dynamic and > determined.• (of a thing) stimulating development or progress : the dynamic > forces of nature.• Physics of or relating to forces producing motion. Often > contrasted with static .• Linguistics (of a verb) expressing an action, > activity, event, or process. Contrasted with stative .• Electronics (of a > memory device) needing to be refreshed by the periodic application of a > voltage.• Electronics of or relating > > > I really don't see how it could be possible to have any kind of fruitful > conversation with anyone who uses terms and concepts to mean the very > opposite of what everyone else means. You might as well be a driver who > defines "right" to mean "left". When you go out for a drive in your car, > you're probably going to break a whole lot of laws and maybe even kill > somebody. > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
