Well, not to get all argumentative about it dave, but like gallileo says, when something simply is, it is. And that's all there is to it.
describing static patterns as "ever-changing" is about as wrong as it gets. > Absolutely every single particle of this cosmos in which we dwell, IS ever-changing, shifting and becoming something different through time. And even our ideas about it evolve and shift, so those aren't absolute neither. In fact, I thought this was your big bugaboo against idealism's postulation of an absolute? That there ain't no such animal. Isn't that a given? The only thing that is constant, is change. Put that on the masthead of the MoQ and slap a tatoo of it backwards on your forehead so you can be reminded when you look in a mirror. If you don't believe that, then you're just being as stubbornly obtuse as gallileo's academic opposers. > James and Pirsig both say: > "..concepts [are] derived from something more fundamental which he [James] > described as 'the immediate flux of life which furnishes the material to our > later reflection with its conceptual categories." > Pirsig says James "had condensed this description to a single sentence" when > he said... > > "There must always be a discrepancy between concepts [static patterns] and > reality [the ever-changing flux of experience], because the former are > static and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic and flowing." > > Well, as I'm fond of reiterating, W. James as a philosopher was a pretty good psychologist. But concepts are as far from "static and unchanging" as the rest of experience. You cling to the idea of a concept frozen in time, a matter of a momentary snapshot - freeze-framed and mounted on your wall of conceptualization. You cling to this chimera and think by calling it "direct experience" you make it more real than the churchman's "faith" and the scientist's "empirical facts". But its all shifting and dynamic and evolving toward Quality. Staticity is an illusion. Is what Marsha is trying to get you to see, I think. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
