dmb says to John:
And the larger point here, in case you missed it, is that we cannot have any
kind of successful communication without a certain stability of meaning. And in
this case we are talking about the MOQ first distinction. Who could possibly
deny that it is bad to be confused about these central terms? Who thinks it's
helpful or useful to use definitions that are opposite from the one commonly
used by Pirsig, James and english dictionaries?
Like I said, this doesn't even rise to the level of a philosophical discussion.
It's just about thinking and talking badly. It's about ruining the possibility
of any real communication. We trade in words and ideas here and so this is NOT
nit picking about typos or spelling errors. To misconstrue the basic meaning of
these terms is intellectually paralyzing. When confused concepts are being used
at that basic level, the conversation is going nowhere fast.
Ron:
Right, it is better to have meaning than not. Meaning, may be argued as
synonomous with Quality,
that which has no meaning has no Quality.
But what it looks like to me is the presentation of the idea that the one is
the
many and the many are
the one. A truth about "Good". A truth that should be the root of all meaning.
The Problem is that often the idea is rested apon as an ultimate solution
not a generator.
opening up another question, is Quality a solution, a destination or is it a
direction finder, a star to steer by
it would seem, given that we know that Quality is the process of betterness, it
would be continuous to
link it to the viewpoint of guide. Making meaning linked to betterness.
It would seem to me that the value placed on "meaningless-ness" is a static
one. A Dogma.
Now it should not be forgotten that it is a crucal part in a process of
understanding but it is not meant
to be rested apon.
Intelligibilty is better than unintelligibility.
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