On Mar 22, 2011, at 8:27 PM, X Acto wrote: > > >> On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: >> >>> Andre: >>> In trying to defend yourself you're playing with words again Marsha... >> >> >> Marsha: >> And you're playing with a different set of words. >> >> In my understanding, sq is not other than DQ(Quality), or put another way: >> the patterned is not other than the unpatterned. >> >> >> Ron: >> This truth should be at the root of all meaning, but when it becomes dogma >> it champions and glorifies meaningless-ness undercutting Pirsigs MoQ. >> >> > > Marsha: > > There is just as much dogma in insisting that it is as in insisting that it > isn't; > > therefore, the answer is yes, no and all of the above. > > > Pirsig: > "Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other. > If one inserts this concept into a case such as that of the brujo in Zuni, > one can see the truth of it. Although the Dynamic brujo and the static > priests who tortured him appeared to be mortal enemies, they were actually > necessary to each other. Both types of people had to exist. If most of Zuni > went around drunk and bragging and looking in windows, that ancient way of > life could never have lasted. But without wild, disreputable outcasts like > the brujo, ready to seize on any new outside idea and bring it into the > community, Zuni would have been too inflexible to survive. A tension between > these two forces is needed to continue the evolution of life. > The beauty of that old Indian, Phaedrus thought, is that he seemed to have > understood this. He wasn't interested in just knocking things down and > walking off into the sunset with some kind of a moral victory. The old > priestly ways would have come back and all his suffering would have been > wasted. He didn't do that. He stayed around the rest of his life, became > a part of the static pattern of the tribe, and lived to see his reforms > become a part of the tribe's ongoing culture. > Slowly at first, and then with increasing awareness that he was going in a > right direction, Phaedrus' central attention turned away from any further > explanation of Dynamic Quality and turned toward the static patterns > themselves." > -Lila chptr 9 > > Ron: > So instead of trying to walk off into the sunset with some kind of moral > victory, > perhaps with increasing awareness, you should turn towards static patterns. >
Marsha: What could such advice represent but your own unfounded projections. I am a flow of bits and pieces of ever-changing, interdependent, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value entangled within a field of DQ. I am nothing but static quality, but perhaps without the social responsibility of family obligations and having read ZMM & LILA, I am more able to explore the uncertainty of DQ, or maybe not. The words I write are not absolute, but represent a few moments in time. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
