Andre says: John asked, and Mary seconded: > > can you demonstrate any object or pattern that is truly static, in all of > experience? > > Andre: > Just a quick one here. The key words here are 'in all of experience'.
John: Maybe I should have said, "in the entire universe" or "all of creation" so you'd more fully get the gist of my point. Andre: > The MOQ is a static intellectual pattern of value. The question suggests > that Pirsig's MOQ IS experience, IS reality. This is NOT the case. It is a > static (i.e. stable)intellectual description of... . > John: I don't think the MoQ is experience. I think the MoQ is a description of experience. I don't see how you get this from my question. And as far as the MoQ being static (i.e. stable) ... not so much in my experience. Andre: > It is a finger pointing towards. > > DQ is a static INTELLECTUAL REFERENCE to Quality. Experience cannot be > contained IN a metaphysics no matter what it is called. This has been the > fallacy of the 'container problem'. The MOQ is a static intellectual > description of experience. It is NOT the experience itself. > > John: I agree completely. Andre: Is this so difficult to fathom? > > John: Nope. Andre: The logical conclusion towards which John, Mary, Mark , Marsha (did I leave > anyone out?) are driving is nihilism, absolute relativism (and nothing > in-between), frivolity, illusion. It stops all conversation, all dialogue > because all is ever changing, nothing to hang your hat on...the street I > walked on 2 minutes ago a roaring river the next (and I forgot to bring my > boat). This is fallacy! > John: The dynamic nature of all reality is not a fallacy, Andre. It's just the way things are. What I call fallacy is the rigid constructions of small-minded control freaks who want to freeze conceptualizations and keep them in their hip pocket and beat others over the head with their homophiliac urges. Andre: > > It is just silly. No, it is intellectually insulting and > dishonest...Pirsig's LILA is quite clear on this. Start reading ....again. > > John: Thanks for your opinion. A little less bombast and a little more logical explanation would be appreciated. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
