Hi Andre, I saw my name mentioned here. Let me point out that I am NOT driving towards nihilism, just the opposite. I do not subscribe to this ever changing patterns, in fact I do not think the whole concept of patterns is not very useful, as I have stated in my posts. Quality can certainly provide the appearance of change, but it is not subordinate to change as some would contend.
In the same way that intellectualization is a reference to Quality, objects are a reference to Quality. As I stated to Dan, objects are a metaphor for Quality. Objects do not contain quality, they express it like the sun expresses sunshine. Through the brain's interaction with the environment we perceive objects in the same way we create words to represent objects or concepts. The representation of Quality by objects does not mean that they are quality, to believe so is missing the point, in my opinion. Thanks, Mark On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]> wrote: > John asked, and Mary seconded: > > can you demonstrate any object or pattern that is truly static, in all of > experience? > > Andre: > Just a quick one here. The key words here are 'in all of experience'. The > MOQ is a static intellectual pattern of value. The question suggests that > Pirsig's MOQ IS experience, IS reality. This is NOT the case. It is a static > (i.e. stable)intellectual description of... . > > It is a finger pointing towards. > > DQ is a static INTELLECTUAL REFERENCE to Quality. Experience cannot be > contained IN a metaphysics no matter what it is called. This has been the > fallacy of the 'container problem'. The MOQ is a static intellectual > description of experience. It is NOT the experience itself. > > Is this so difficult to fathom? > > The logical conclusion towards which John, Mary, Mark , Marsha (did I leave > anyone out?) are driving is nihilism, absolute relativism (and nothing > in-between), frivolity, illusion. It stops all conversation, all dialogue > because all is ever changing, nothing to hang your hat on...the street I > walked on 2 minutes ago a roaring river the next (and I forgot to bring my > boat). This is fallacy! > > It is just silly. No, it is intellectually insulting and > dishonest...Pirsig's LILA is quite clear on this. Start reading ....again. > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
