[Marsha]
I am stating that RMP does not inherently (independently) exist. He
exists as a collection of conceptually constructed, interdependent
static patterns of value.
[Arlo]
Given this, what is the problem with saying "Pirsig says..."?
[Marsha]
I do not know of anything that inherently exists.
[Arlo]
If neither "The MOQ" nor "Pirsig" inherently exist, why do you have a
problem with "Pirsig says..." but not "The MOQ says..."?
[Marsha]
Pirsig is a name given as a useful symbol standing for the collection
of static patterns of value that have Pirsig.
[Arlo]
So how does this deny using "Pirsig says..."? Do you think "Pirsig
wrote ZMM"? Or should we not say that as well?
[Marsha]
Your choice between "The MoQ says" and "Pirsig says" seems very pedantic.
[Arlo]
So you think "The MOQ" speaks? Does it do anything else? While this
may explain the voices in your head, "The MOQ" does not speak, "The
MOQ" is a collection of words spoken BY Robert Pirsig.
I understand, to be sure, why you would want to promote "The MOQ
says...". This is necessary for the interpretive legitimacy argument,
as it turns everyone, even Pirsig, into "interpreters" of what "The MOQ says".
You can't make a bid for interpretative legitimacy, in other words,
if its "Pirsig" speaking, but you can if Pirsig is just another
interpretor of "The MOQ" speaking.
[Marsha]
Do you think the MoQ, an intellectual static pattern of value, is
more real than Mr. Pirsig, a collection of static patterns of
value? If yes, how could that be if in either case it is static quality?
[Arlo]
No, neither are "more real". Such concepts as "more real" are the
illusions of S/O thinking.
[Marsha]
An inherently existing entity would be one that exists independently.
[Arlo]
Why does "Pirsig says" imply to you "inherent existence", but "The
MOQ says" does not?
Why do you move away from "Pirsig says", if its because such a word
choice implies "inherent existence", but you don't find the same
fault with "The MOQ says..."?
[Arlo asked]
Did the bombs that drop on Nagasaki and Hiroshima "inherently" exist?
[Marsha]
No. The bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima are interdependent static
patterns of value; they interdependently exist.
[Arlo]
"Inherent" means "involved in the constitution or essential character
of something; belonging by nature or habit: intrinsic, hardwired,
native, natural, innate, ingrained, indigenous, immanent; existing in
someone or something as a permanent, inseparable element, quality, or
attribute".
It does not mean "independent".
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