On Apr 15, 2011, at 1:00 PM, John Carl wrote: > Dan: > > In other words, it is >> without patterning. That is freedom. >> > > John: > > That is not freedom. That is stupidity. The metaphysics of randomness, > ontologically necessary. MoRonist. "Without pattern" is just chaos. What > you get at the end of the day, when entropy is done and had her evil way. > It's also completely impossible. Everything fits into some sort of > pattern. Everything that exists, exists because of it's relationship to > everything else (pattern) and without it's pattern, it would not even B. > > that's not freedom, that's ridgid, static death. Without pattern, there is > no life and no way to bring it about.
John, I'm going to say it one more time. There is unpatterned experience; it is non-dualistic experience. It is sometimes identified as nirvikalpa. I had such experiences; though I figure that there must be degrees, because I am certainly not enlightened. Here is how Wiki has Edward Conze described it. "In Buddhist philosophy, the technical term nirvikalpa-jñāna is translated by Edward Conze as "undifferentiated cognition".[7] Conze notes that only the actual experience of nirvikalpa-jñāna can prove the reports given of it in scriptures. He describes the term as used in Buddhist context as follows: The "undiscriminate cognition" knows first the unreality of all objects, then realizes that without them also the knowledge itself falls to the ground, and finally directly intuits the supreme reality. Great efforts are made to maintain the paradoxical nature of this gnosis. Though without concepts, judgements and discrimination, it is nevertheless not just mere thoughtlessness. It is neither a cognition nor a non-cognition; its basis is neither thought nor non-thought.... There is here no duality of subject and object. The cognition is not different from that which is cognized, but completely identical with it.[8] A different sense in Buddhist usage occurs in the Sanskrit expression nirvikalpayati (Pali: nibbikappa) that means "makes free from uncertainty (or false discrimination) = distinguishes, considers carefully.[9]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvikalpa Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
