> >>Ron: >> 2. Dynamic Quality is natural selection at work > Dan: Natural selection pertains to Darwin's theory of evolution, or in other words, a metaphysics of substance, as RMP explains in LILA. Here are a couple quotes:
"Phaedrus thought this was why no one before had ever seemed to have come up with the idea that the world is primarily value. The word is too vague. The "value" that holds a glass of water together and the "value" that holds a nation together are obviously not the same thing. Therefore to say that the world is nothing but value is just confusing, not clarifying." "Biological man doesn't invent cities or societies any more than pigs and chickens invent the farmer that feeds them. The force of evolutionary creation isn't contained by substance. Substance is just one kind of static pattern left behind by the creative force." Dan comments: Within the framework of the MOQ, biological quality, or Dynamic natural selection, is not the same as social quality, or the Dynamic force of celebrity. The the levels have almost nothing in common other than an evolutionary history. Ron retorts: Then you need to add the quote that is just after those above, you had to have read it: it concludes: "The Metaphysics of Quality has much much more to say about ethics, however, than simple resolution of the Free Will vs. Determinism controversy. The Metaphysics of Quality says that if moral judgments are essentially assertions of value and if value is the fundamental ground-stuff of the world, then moral judgments are the fundamental ground-stuff of the world. It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static patterns of value and moral judgment are identical. The 'Laws of Nature' are moral laws." > Ron: > I can understand and I am doing my best to explain this point of view, I'm in > the process > of going through all of Pirsigs work I possess to support my case in this >matter > in regard > to quotes. Dan: Good. Perhaps you should start by reading LILA again, paying particular attention to how the MOQ is juxapositioned against the metaphysics of substance, or SOM if you will. Ron: I think you should follow your own advice. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
