Hi Arlo
MoQ static patterns are no more or less real than subjects and objects
(in my view) - they are used to represent experience and not experience
itself (DQ).
Both static patterns and subjects and objects are 'real' in the sense
that they represent how we make sense of what we experience.
The example I gave of a rainbow a while back illustrates this well
If we stood next to each other somewhere and observed a rainbow we would
both be observing different rainbows but we would (probably) agree that
it was the same rainbow we were observing. We could photograph it and
compare the results and they would agree that we experienced the same
thing. But the rainbow exists as a result of different phenomena in
relation to our positions - not as something 'real' some distance from
where we stand. It's an optical illusion in the same way that we
experience other illusions - as static patterns.
Horse
On 29/04/2011 15:39, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
[Horse]
Illusions exist - they just aren't what we assume they are. They are
representations of reality, not reality itself.
[Arlo]
I had understood the "illusion" to be the primacy of subjects and
objects. Within a MOQ, patterns are "real", but that reality is
defined empirically, or experientially, or pragmatically, rather than
existentially.
So within a MOQ framework, I don't know if I'd say anything like
"static patterns are illusions", I'd say the opposite, that "static
patterns are real", its the "S/O" primacy that has defined what "real"
meant that is the illusion, and saying "patterns are real" is an
empirical statement and not an existential one.
In other words, if we are talking about "subjects" and "objects", we'd
call them "illusions" because they are the fallout of the greater S/O
fallacy. In this case, the illusion is that they exist independently
or existentially apart from experiential value.
But if we are talking about "MOQ patterns", and we understand how a
MOQ reconceptualizes the meaning of "real", then I'd say they are not
illusions, but that these patterns are quite real.
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