Hi Andre and all, The way I see evolution is order in existence. I see morality as appealing to order in existence for its foundation. For morality Evolution matters.
Joe On 5/16/11 1:09 PM, "Andre Broersen" <[email protected]> wrote: > Joe to Andre and All: > I do not know why your post bothers me so. > > Andre: > Hey Joe. I don't know either. Perhaps it is my sometimes rather crude > and direct way of saying things. When it comes to the MOQ I want to > defend its hard fought for 'space'(in the way Jaynes uses it in his 'The > origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind'). .. you > know the root expansion of rationality...a spiritual rationality. (ZMM) > > And this leads to your following statement that 'Self and individuality > are both indefinable in an evolutionary setting'. > > I cannot find much wrong with this statement, not any contradiction with > the MOQ (as far as I am aware) but where you got this from I am confused > about (was it in my post?). The snippet you took from my post was a > rather facetious and at the same time a sarcastic comment towards Marsha > and her hangers-on commenting on the framework from within which they > are operating. > > It is not MOQ. It is SOM. > > And I maintain this, no matter how much Marsha tries to evoke a Buddhist > type interpretation. She has said herself she is no Buddhist, not even a > student of such. So any pretended defense in the name of Buddhism is, > for me, a wank. A dishonest travesty. A pretense at forwarding a point > of view about which she knows nothing...yet claiming authority without > understanding what she claims. > > And just to be clear. Buddhist philosophy is not SOM. > > Getting back to your question Joe: Does that mean that self and > individuality are unreal? > > I do not think that 'self' nor 'individuality' are unreal. They are > useful patterns of value. > > Joe: > I think it means that to see existence and essence as describing the > same thing, like the nature of an individual, is in error. > > Andre: > I fully agree with you. I have never understood what 'existence' means. > The word 'essence' I have begun to associate with Ham so I can wipe that > one as well. And then you mention the 'nature of an individual'. I have > no idea what you mean other than the MOQ's description of Lila. > > Joe: > Evolution matters,... > > Andre: > Why does evolution matter to you Joe? > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
