Ham said:
Zero or nothingness may be an "abstraction" in relational logic, but not in
metaphysical reality.
Ron replied:
ESPECIALLY in a Metaphysical construction of reality! it's not experienced!
Essentialism all rests on a abstraction. You really can't deny this. ...Do
realize that dualism and opposites result from the act of explanation and the
use of language; to take them as actual constituants of reality is a
reification of those relational concepts of meaning.
dmb says:
I agree with Ron. Ham's key terms are so highly abstract that they don't even
refer to anyone's actual experience. The whole system of relations is purely
verbal, untestable in experience and unusable in life. This is exactly what
James hated most about the rationalistic philosophers, especially the
Absolutists. Ham's Essentialism seems to be a matter of moving a few pieces
around on some metaphysical chessboard and none of those pieces makes contact
with actual experience at any point. The game is confined to those 64 squares
and none of the moves makes a difference to anyone or anything. That's vicious
abstractionism. That's why reification is a real problem. This is an abuse of
concepts and such misuse is to be avoided because it will lead you down a
dead-end road, lead you into confusion and isolation and endless arguments
about nothing at all.
"Historically mystics have claimed that for a true understanding of reality
metaphysics is too 'scientific.' Metaphysics is not reality. Metaphysics is
names about reality. Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a
thirty-thousand page menu and no food."
"The central reality of mysticism, the reality that Phaedrus had called
'Quality' in his first book, is not a metaphysical chess piece. Quality doesn't
have to be defined. You understand it without definition, ahead of definition.
Quality is a direct experience independent of and prior to intellectual
abstractions."
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