dmb, You obviously have no idea of my understanding of reification. - The quotes I present match my view perfectly.
Marsha On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:22 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > You do realize that this quote explicitly contradicts your idea of > reification, don't you? Or is this your way of finally, quitely, admitting > that you concede the point? > > "One of the chief causes of bondage is, not so much the faculty of > conceptualization, but rather the propensity to grasp onto the products of > that faculty. The rational nature, like the dispositions Nagarjuna discussed > in section seven of the karika, has a value. Concepts are an important and > necessary tool to be used in ordering one’s world and acting within it." > > "One of the chief causes of bondage is, not so much the faculty of > conceptualization, but rather the propensity to grasp onto the products of > that faculty. The rational nature, like the dispositions Nagarjuna discussed > in section seven of the karika, has a value. Concepts are an important and > necessary tool to be used in ordering one’s world and acting within it." > > > "One of the chief causes of bondage is, not so much the faculty of > conceptualization, but rather the propensity to grasp onto the products of > that faculty. The rational nature, like the dispositions Nagarjuna discussed > in section seven of the karika, has a value. Concepts are an important and > necessary tool to be used in ordering one’s world and acting within it." > > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:52:39 -0400 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MD] The other side of reified >> >> >> >> "One of the chief causes of bondage is, not so much the faculty of >> conceptualization, but rather the propensity to grasp onto the products of >> that faculty. The rational nature, like the dispositions Nagarjuna discussed >> in section seven of the karika, has a value. Concepts are an important and >> necessary tool to be used in ordering one’s world and acting within it. The >> problem is that rational creatures, be they humans or Gods, tend to ascribe >> excessive validity to these concepts. This is done for two reasons. One is >> ignorance: the rational creature does not know or ignores the fact that his >> or her mental nature is only a tool and has limited applicability. The >> other, and perhaps foundational, reason that sentient creatures cling to the >> mental processes is desire. Desiring pleasure, the mind reifies the >> apparently pleasurable things in the hope of thereby possessing them and >> preventing them from ceasing. Fearing death, the individual reifies the >> apparent existence of life itself and thereby acts with excessive and >> unjustified selfishness. The Buddha taught that these two tendencies, desire >> and the faith in the results of mentation, are, indirectly, the cause of >> bondage. “Desire, know I thy root,” he is reported to have said. “From >> conception thou springest; No more shall I indulge in conception; I will >> have no desire any more.”" >> >> (Winters, Jonah, 'Thinking in Buddhism: Nagarjuna’s Middle Way') >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
