Marsha repeated her definition of static patterns and said:
Please note the "ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend to persist and
change within a stable, predictable pattern" part.
dmb says:
Yes, I've noted that part many times. That's the incoherent, contradictory
part. Either it is stable or it is ever-changing. It's logically impossible to
make both of those claims at the same time. It's nonsense.
dmb asked:
On what basis do you conclude that these terms [concepts & static patterns]
refer to two different things?
Marsha replied:
Again, for me concepts and definitions are a part of static patterns of value.
There is not a one-to-one relationship between concepts/definitions and a
pattern. There could be visualizations associated with a pattern for one
example.
dmb says:
There is no one-to-one relation the two and concepts are only a part of
patterns? Associated visualizations? Okay, but that still doesn't answer the
question, namely, what the hell are you talking about? This is unintelligible
nonsense. In what metaphysical reality do these static patterns exist? You've
turned one of Pirsig's concepts into some invisible magical entity? How are
they distinguishable from concepts and definitions?
I'll give you a thousand dollars to make sense and give a real answer. Go
ahead. Give it shot. It's not even a bet. You can't lose dime. I'm just saying
I'll pay you to produce a coherent explanation of your own claim.
Anyone interested in a side bet?
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