I wonder about having to endure difficulties and suffering. Are they identical?
On Jun 10, 2011, at 11:19 AM, X Acto wrote: > > "Discussing illusions plays such a big role in the Perfection of Wisdom > literature because the Buddhist texts state that there is a close connection > between the existence of illusion and the existence of suffering. According > to > the Buddhist worldview, the existence of suffering is neither a necessary > feature of the world nor the consequence of a specific fact about the past > (such > as the fall of Adam), but is rather due to an intellectual error that is > mistaken about the way things exist. Suffering is produced by a wrong view > of > the world, a view that is in fact so much part and parcel of our habitual way > of > thinking that we are not aware of its perspectival nature any more. More > worryingly, the mere intellectual insight into its falsity does not mean that > the illusion goes away, in the same way that mere intellectual insight that > the > two line in the diagram below are the same length does not alter the fact > that > the lower line appears to be longer. > > <---------> > >---------< > > "That's why the absence of suffering last night seemed so ominous and her > change to what looked like suffering today gave Phaedrus a feeling she > was getting better. If you eliminate suffering from this world you > eliminate life. There's no evolution. Those species that don't suffer > don't survive. Suffering is the negative face of the Quality that drives > the whole process. All these battles between patterns of evolution go on > within suffering individuals like Lila. > And Lila's battle is everybody's battle, you know?"-Lila > > > "Another immoral way of killing the static patterns is to pass > the patterns to someone else, in what Phaedrus called a > 'karma dump.' You invent a devil group, Jews or blacks or > whites or capitalists or communists - it doesn't matter - > then say that group is responsible for all your suffering, > and then hate it and try to destroy it. On a daily personal > level everyone has things or people they hate and blame for > their suffering and this hatred and blame brings a kind of relief."-Lila > > > > ... > > "The aim of the Buddhist enterprise is therefore not just to show that all > things are like illusions because the way they appear is different from the > way > they are. Its aim is to bring about a complete change in how we perceive and > conceptualize phenomena. In this way ignorance is cleared away and, one > hopes, > suffering will completely disappear." > > (Westerhoff, Jan, 'Twelve Examples of Illusion) > > > > > >> Marsha: >> I suggest the primary goal of RMP for the West, with his presentation of the >> MoQ, is to overcome a subject-object-metaphysics. Has this topic become >> unplugged? >> > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
