Hi Mark --
On 6/29/11 9:35 PM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote:
Everything in existence is individuated from every other. That includes
human beings. If you are persuaded that the self-evident fact of human
individuality is a "crapshoot", it's your problem, not mine.
On 6/30/11 2:07 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> responded:
There are two meanings to the word "One". There is a quantity (logical),
intellectual meaning, indicating that something follows 1 like 2. There is
a
quality (evolutionary) meaning that existence is 1 and is divided into
levels, evolution.
Mathematics and Metaphysics. Metaphysical 1 is not followed by 2, but
describes individuality in levels in existence, evolution. Quantitative 1
is an intellectual crapshoot, how many?
Or maybe not!
On 6/30/11 7:40 PM, Mark "118" <[email protected]> commented:
Hi Joe,
Then why even use the term 1?
Joe is a numbers man who thinks that numerical equations define Truth.
Since metaphysics is expressed in words and concepts, it has no validity for
him. He doesn't seem to understand that individuality is not a numbered
level or quantitative value but the systematic form of existence.
But Joe is not alone in refusing to acknowledge the individual agent, Mark.
I'm constantly amazed at the chicanery and deception employed here to evade
the subjective self which is the very agent of will. Whether it's the claim
that the subjective 'I' is a creation of the "social level", or the notion
that selfness is a set of "interrelated patterns", the general consensus
seems to be that Pirsig's thesis would fall apart if the free agent were
anything but an illusion. Only indefinable DQ is allowed the distinction of
free agency. Or, as Marsha says, "to the extent that we follow static
quality, there is no choice. By following Dynamic Quality, we are free."
We can only try, Mark.
Thanks, as always, for your support,
--Ham
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