On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:25 AM, 118 wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > As you know, Buddha did not write anything. Neither did Socrates or > Jesus. So, all we have are interpretations by others of what he is > claimed to have said. This is important since it was claimed to be > recognized by Buddha that words only delimit. > > I am not quite sure what you mean by intuition. Is it instinct? > Perhaps intuition is shared awareness. I have sensed that something > was happening to someone I cared about.
Marsha: No this is not what I meant. Mindfulness is what I meant. Where the good is unfolding, naturally. That is what I mean. > I listen to the birds every morning when I wake up. This is a form of > shared awareness for by listening I create. When Siegfried was able to understand the birdsong, he was in tune with intuition. "The woodbird now sings of a woman sleeping on a rock surrounded by magic fire. Siegfried, wondering if he can learn fear from this woman, heads toward the mountain." Don't you just love it!!! > Cheers, > Mark Marsha > > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:55 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:44 AM, 118 wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha, >>> >>> Buddha was not an atheist, he used the current Gods in his >>> meditations. Just read about all the gods that visited him under the >>> trees that he sat under. When Pirsig says Atheist, he means >>> anti-Christian (or Muslem or Jew), he does not mean anti-Gods. >> >> Which translations of the Buddha's words were you reading? Which >> translation of RMP's words were you reading? >> >> >>> What Pirsig does not understand is that Metaphysics is mystical. It >>> is a deep awareness that comes from beyond the Intellect and is then >>> put to a song of words. I am not sure how many mystics he spoke with >>> to create his story about them, but I believe he is mistaken. Thought >>> is an expression of Reality, in the same way the certain mystics >>> apprehend reality but do not encompass it. Nobody can. Think of some >>> mystical experiences you have had, and you will see. >> >> I love all songs. Woodland birdsong is lovely. Would you agree? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6egZr8-8k2k&NR=1 >> >> Anything to say about intuition? I would like to hear of yours and other's >> experience. >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Mark >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 6:30 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Alvord commenting on Ant's PhD thesis: >>>> >>>> In the same paragraph, you make a good point with the quotation from >>>> DiSanto and Steele that the ‘enlightenment experience doesn’t depend upon >>>> words and concepts for its flowering.’ I tend to be ‘head-centered.’ >>>> Quotations like this help the reader to escape the confinement of >>>> intellectual static patterns. >>>> >>>> From your discussion of how enigmatic Zen appears to Westerners, I am >>>> reminded of Pirsig’s statement in LILA: >>>> >>>> >>>> Of the two kinds of hostility to metaphysics he [Phædrus] considered the >>>> mystics’ hostility the more formidable. Mystics will tell you that once >>>> you’ve opened the door to metaphysics you can say goodbye to any genuine >>>> understanding of reality. Thought is not a path to reality. It sets >>>> obstacles in that path because when you try to use thought to approach >>>> something that is prior to thought your thinking does not carry you toward >>>> that something. It carries you away from it. To define something is to >>>> subordinate it to a tangle of intellectual relationships. And when you do >>>> that you destroy real understanding. (1991, p.66) >>>> >>>> >>>> Page 52, Pirsig’s 2000e e-mail to Anthony: ‘For scientists, the mind of >>>> the Buddha and the Mind of God are usually the same, even though the >>>> Buddha was an atheist. I think it is extremely important to emphasize >>>> that the MOQ is pure empiricism. There is nothing supernatural in it.’ >>>> Compare this, later in the thesis, with Northrop’s ‘concepts by intuition’. >>>> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
